[quote]okage wrote: #1 Try absolutely to take out dairy, i mean cottage cheese in the mourning? really…
there’s plenty of ways to eat a great breakfast even on short time. Take in a fruit, veggie or salad with your eggs. plus try moving to soy milk, vanilla flavor is pretty good if you dont like original. It has a little extra fat but its much easier for the body to digest. Dairy in general doesnt work well with digestion or weight loss. its hard to absorb that protein.
#2 Help your body by taking in high fiber foods. legumes (pre-soaked overnight then boiled) and brow rices will provide you with easy to digest calories and proteins that leave you full and get you healthy.
#3 If you do these two things you will be able to take in a few extra calories with the amount your working out.
Id suggest at least some more greens in your diet!!
Good luck :)[/quote]
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Seconded.
#1 is just stupid unless you have problems with dairy, or are about to step on a stage. And replace with Soy milk? What website have you been reading? I thought Soy was banned from T-Nation.
#2 I like me some beans and rice, but to claim that they give you protein is down right stupid. A can of beans is what, like 20 grams of protein? And that is if you eat the entire can. Beans and rice are carbs. Chicken and steak is protein.
The only good recommendation is the extra greens.
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If youre going to second my opinion, do that. If youre going to type up stuff that I wouldnt necessarily agree with (like you did here) make a completely separate post. Thanks. [/quote]
[quote]okage wrote: #1 Try absolutely to take out dairy, i mean cottage cheese in the mourning? really…
there’s plenty of ways to eat a great breakfast even on short time. Take in a fruit, veggie or salad with your eggs. plus try moving to soy milk, vanilla flavor is pretty good if you dont like original. It has a little extra fat but its much easier for the body to digest. Dairy in general doesnt work well with digestion or weight loss. its hard to absorb that protein.
#2 Help your body by taking in high fiber foods. legumes (pre-soaked overnight then boiled) and brow rices will provide you with easy to digest calories and proteins that leave you full and get you healthy.
#3 If you do these two things you will be able to take in a few extra calories with the amount your working out.
Id suggest at least some more greens in your diet!!
Good luck :)[/quote]
wtf is this shit[/quote]
I was kinda thinking that about the cottage cheese thing, but I tend to assume everyone knows more than me on these forums, care to explain why he is wrong in the interest of helping a newbie?[/quote]
Cottage cheese is fine. Even those with dairy digestion issues tend to do ok with small amounts of cottage cheese. I agree that dairy should be kept to a minimum during a legitimate cut but whether you keep it should depend more on convenience and preference.
“hard to absorb dairy protein” - Wild claims need to be backed up with some proof. Dairy protein is fine.
Soy milk (juice) - not a good replacement for cow milk. COmpletely different nutrient profiles. Whether you eat soy is up to you but I wouldnt recommend the highly refined stuff. Tofu and soy beans in controlled quantities are fine.
Rice and beans is a fine meal combo. Obviously adding some meat is beneficial. But rice and beans together provide a complete source of amino acids. I dont think brown rice is a a necessity but if you prefer it, thats fine. I prefer yellow rice beacuse brown rice tastes like shit. And about digestion of brown rice, there have been numerous times where ive seen grains of brown rice in my shit, so that that result from a sample of size of 1 into consideration.
Fiber is good, vegetables are good. Fruit is less good because of the sugar but most people can easily fit a piece of fruit into their macros for a simple fat loss diet.
400 calories is a big difference. Don’t let me or anyone tell you what total number you need. That figure can change from day for a person (based on metabolism and stuff you can see going on). Any “calculation” is just an estimate. You have to learn how hunger levels respond to food choices, total calories and how it all ties in to progress, mood, and workout energy levels.
Since you have dieted for a while now and have slowed down fat loss, perhaps you can check out the green faces diet (only eating things with a face or that are green).
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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Everything about this thread makes me think you haven’t done a lot of reading yet. … [/quote]
keep in mind this guy has lost 40 pounds which is no small feat. He’s hitting the ground running, so let’s try to be constructive and help him out – not that your response was overly critical, it just comes across a bit harsh rather than helpful imo
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Everything about this thread makes me think you haven’t done a lot of reading yet. Your diet seems strangely constructed, and most educated people in the subject of dieting will look at the big picture more than a ‘sample day’. In other words, things like carb cycling (isn’t that the subject of today’s article? or yesterday’s? can’t remember) are used to lose weight, along with well constructed workout plans. Also, training day caloric intake shouldn’t be the same as non-training day caloric intake.
My advice would be to exit the forums and enter the world of articles. There are COUNTLESS articles on this site about weight loss. Nate Miyaki has some great stuff that seems to reflect your values. Read his stuff, and any other diet ARTICLES on this site, and if you’re up for it, read some primary sources referenced in the articles.
Spending time in forums is fun and everything, but the truth is, if you’re trying to obtain real useful information, this isn’t the place to start. Learn from the experts.[/quote]
I’ve been reading up on some of what Nate is putting out, very interesting and informative, but alot of his work seems to revolve around the paleo diet and the difference between sedentary people and athletes as far as carb use goes. What if you are someone like me who is formerly sedentary, working on getting in shape, and exercising like an athlete would? Should I follow close to his advice for athletes or the sedentary person? I’ll keep reading and see if I can find an answer, but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions feel free to post.
OP, don’t make things too complicated. Too much counting! If you’re at a sticking point, maybe you need a nice big scheduled cheap meal or two. And lift heavier. Heavier I said. That will jack your metabolism and remind your muscles they need to stick around while dieting. Read up on some Shelby Starns or Dr. Clay. Or Nate. These guys are solid. Most of the advice above is bogus.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Everything about this thread makes me think you haven’t done a lot of reading yet. Your diet seems strangely constructed, and most educated people in the subject of dieting will look at the big picture more than a ‘sample day’. In other words, things like carb cycling (isn’t that the subject of today’s article? or yesterday’s? can’t remember) are used to lose weight, along with well constructed workout plans. Also, training day caloric intake shouldn’t be the same as non-training day caloric intake.
My advice would be to exit the forums and enter the world of articles. There are COUNTLESS articles on this site about weight loss. Nate Miyaki has some great stuff that seems to reflect your values. Read his stuff, and any other diet ARTICLES on this site, and if you’re up for it, read some primary sources referenced in the articles.
Spending time in forums is fun and everything, but the truth is, if you’re trying to obtain real useful information, this isn’t the place to start. Learn from the experts.[/quote]
I’ve been reading up on some of what Nate is putting out, very interesting and informative, but alot of his work seems to revolve around the paleo diet and the difference between sedentary people and athletes as far as carb use goes. What if you are someone like me who is formerly sedentary, working on getting in shape, and exercising like an athlete would? Should I follow close to his advice for athletes or the sedentary person? I’ll keep reading and see if I can find an answer, but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions feel free to post.[/quote]
If you don’t have good carbs around lifting sessions, how can you have the energy to kick ass and make muscle/burn fat? And without them how can you recover? Quality, timing and amount are crucial. Carbs are not bad, just badly used…
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Everything about this thread makes me think you haven’t done a lot of reading yet. Your diet seems strangely constructed, and most educated people in the subject of dieting will look at the big picture more than a ‘sample day’. In other words, things like carb cycling (isn’t that the subject of today’s article? or yesterday’s? can’t remember) are used to lose weight, along with well constructed workout plans. Also, training day caloric intake shouldn’t be the same as non-training day caloric intake.
My advice would be to exit the forums and enter the world of articles. There are COUNTLESS articles on this site about weight loss. Nate Miyaki has some great stuff that seems to reflect your values. Read his stuff, and any other diet ARTICLES on this site, and if you’re up for it, read some primary sources referenced in the articles.
Spending time in forums is fun and everything, but the truth is, if you’re trying to obtain real useful information, this isn’t the place to start. Learn from the experts.[/quote]
I’ve been reading up on some of what Nate is putting out, very interesting and informative, but alot of his work seems to revolve around the paleo diet and the difference between sedentary people and athletes as far as carb use goes. What if you are someone like me who is formerly sedentary, working on getting in shape, and exercising like an athlete would? Should I follow close to his advice for athletes or the sedentary person? I’ll keep reading and see if I can find an answer, but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions feel free to post.[/quote]
If you don’t have good carbs around lifting sessions, how can you have the energy to kick ass and make muscle/burn fat? And without them how can you recover? Quality, timing and amount are crucial. Carbs are not bad, just badly used…
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That was the exact question I had actually. Nate seems to recommend people with my body fat ranges (Whom he refers to as sedentary) do low carb paleo only, but he recommends that athletes eat carbs in decent amount especially after workouts. I have the body fat of a sedentary person, but the work ethic and workouts of the athlete. I suppose you are trying to say that I should take the carbs before/after workouts at the least.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Everything about this thread makes me think you haven’t done a lot of reading yet. Your diet seems strangely constructed, and most educated people in the subject of dieting will look at the big picture more than a ‘sample day’. In other words, things like carb cycling (isn’t that the subject of today’s article? or yesterday’s? can’t remember) are used to lose weight, along with well constructed workout plans. Also, training day caloric intake shouldn’t be the same as non-training day caloric intake.
My advice would be to exit the forums and enter the world of articles. There are COUNTLESS articles on this site about weight loss. Nate Miyaki has some great stuff that seems to reflect your values. Read his stuff, and any other diet ARTICLES on this site, and if you’re up for it, read some primary sources referenced in the articles.
Spending time in forums is fun and everything, but the truth is, if you’re trying to obtain real useful information, this isn’t the place to start. Learn from the experts.[/quote]
I’ve been reading up on some of what Nate is putting out, very interesting and informative, but alot of his work seems to revolve around the paleo diet and the difference between sedentary people and athletes as far as carb use goes. What if you are someone like me who is formerly sedentary, working on getting in shape, and exercising like an athlete would? Should I follow close to his advice for athletes or the sedentary person? I’ll keep reading and see if I can find an answer, but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions feel free to post.[/quote]
If you don’t have good carbs around lifting sessions, how can you have the energy to kick ass and make muscle/burn fat? And without them how can you recover? Quality, timing and amount are crucial. Carbs are not bad, just badly used…
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That was the exact question I had actually. Nate seems to recommend people with my body fat ranges (Whom he refers to as sedentary) do low carb paleo only, but he recommends that athletes eat carbs in decent amount especially after workouts. I have the body fat of a sedentary person, but the work ethic and workouts of the athlete. I suppose you are trying to say that I should take the carbs before/after workouts at the least.[/quote]
That’s what I’m getting at.