My clean and outstanding blood work has been back for a couple of weeks now so it’s go time. 300Deca/550test cyp per week (11 weeks Deca/13 weeks test with dual injections of each per week). I’ll be incorporating P22’s test taper with 100mg test prop/wk beginning half way through week 14 EOD for 6 weeks and then 90,75,60,45,30 and 15.
I apologize for the long post but I tried to anticipate the usual concerns to allow my questions to more easily addressed.
I have utilized Deca/Test before; this time however, I plan to kickstart with dbol for 4 weeks and then switch to Proviron; this is where the questions begin.
A long, long time ago (after dinosaurs though), the only other time I took dbol, they came in these nice tiny blue tabs and were 5mg each so I could spread them out throughout the day. Now I have your basic dbol 50 which I think I can chop in half but I’m not sure if quartering will work, or if I should even split dose them at all since single day doses apparently have a more favorable impact on the HPTA. I’m looking for some practical experience to guide me here.
Now the Proviron. One of my concern is running orals for 13 weeks (4-dbol and 9-proviron) so feedback on that would be nice. Since Proviron is not a C-17 I was hoping it would be ok but want to be sure I’m not buying into any one-sided research. Being new to Proviron I’m also not sure about dosage. I have 50mg tabs that I was planning to split and take every 12 hours. At 5’6" 170lbs/140lbm I’d like to know if this sounds about right.
The way I set this up is because I’d like to see how I feel without an AI, although I’ll have it on hand, in addition to Nolva for possible post-taper estrogen suppression. My plan is to operate without the 2 latter compounds unless they somehow become necessary; I am not prone to gyno and adex leaves me feeling like it’s decreasing the effectiveness of the anabolics. I don’t like the bloat that comes without it, but maybe psychologically I need it - who knows. Now with all that being said progesterone is a concern and I’m wondering if/when to incorporate cabergoline also.
I’ll be getting blood work done throughout and my doctor will prescribe HCG if needed post cycle. This I am leery of because I don’t want any adaptation at all from HCG use. If I give HCG a go, I was wondering if 3 weeks be enough to kick the boys into gear and get off it safely?
Although I’m not prone to gyno a mild Anti-E is still wise, and with the libido upside I guard against Deca dick. From what I’ve seen most favor masteron but in this situation with Deca, Proviron just seemed like a better fit.
Maybe if I switch my dosage to reflect 500 Deca and 300 Test to make it easy for you guys we can somehow get down to the Dbol, Proviron, Cabergoline and HCG questions?
So much expertise and practical experience out there being hoarded up; where’s the love?
1.) The Proviron I have is only 25mg and I only have 60 tabs so I don’t plan to run them until week 6 now at 25mg/day. Should I chop the tab and take every 12 hours?
2.) I was thinking of taking a low dose .15/day Anaastrozole; would this be a good idea from beginning to end of cycle (even along side the Proviron)?
[quote]Mousse wrote:
Hagar wrote:
Why the proviron?
Although I’m not prone to gyno a mild Anti-E is still wise, and with the libido upside I guard against Deca dick. From what I’ve seen most favor masteron but in this situation with Deca, Proviron just seemed like a better fit.[/quote]
Lots of people don’t get decadick especially when running it with test.
[quote]Mousse wrote:
A lot has changed since my OP so no problem.
1.) The Proviron I have is only 25mg and I only have 60 tabs so I don’t plan to run them until week 6 now at 25mg/day. Should I chop the tab and take every 12 hours?
2.) I was thinking of taking a low dose .15/day Anaastrozole; would this be a good idea from beginning to end of cycle (even along side the Proviron)?
Thanks.[/quote]
On my current cycle of Test-e 250mgE3D I used a kickstart of dbol starting at 30mg a day and bumping up to 40. I take 25mg of proviron a day. I split the dbol up (am lucky enough to have tons of 5mg tabs) and do not split the proviron up. Proviron should be perfectly fine on your liver, but if you are only starting at 6 weeks in you could probably just save it.
If you need an AI and have anastrozole then that will probably serve you better if true estrogen issues arise. On my low dose of provi I have had zero estrogen issues so far, but that doesn’t mean it is the provi preventing it, so who knows. I may be keeping bloat down, though. I am a bit bloated now, but certainly nothing to worry about.
In my relatively amateur opinion your cycle looks fine. I would either run a low dose of proviron the entire time or just leave it out.
Sucks that your dbol is so huge but I have heard of people taking it just once a day with good results, too. You are sure it isn’t counterfeited, right? 50mg dbol pills…counterfeiters will have a field day with those. Anyway with dbol you’ll know pretty quick whether or not what you’ve got is the real deal.
There is nothing wrong at all with anastrozole for an AI. If it does not feel right, the dose is simply not right. With the right dose, you will do better. Some guys [rare] are highly sensitive to anastrozole and need to take 1/4 or 1/8th of the expected dose. With some lab work, you would know what is going on, but you can probably work out the right dose by noting how your energy and libido react to different amounts.
[quote]KSman wrote:
There is nothing wrong at all with anastrozole for an AI. If it does not feel right, the dose is simply not right. With the right dose, you will do better. Some guys [rare] are highly sensitive to anastrozole and need to take 1/4 or 1/8th of the expected dose. With some lab work, you would know what is going on, but you can probably work out the right dose by noting how your energy and libido react to different amounts.[/quote]
Duly noted…much obliged.
Should I wait until I feel the Dbol start kicking before hitting the AI to get a better feel you think?
(as opposed to starting on day 1)