Critique My Deadlifts

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]tedro wrote:
Wow. I absolutely cannot believe so many newbs thought they should be giving you advice. I am sure you already know enough about deadlifting to disregard a lot of what you have read.

It seems to me like your biggest problem is glute activation. This is why you are not locking your knees, and is likely why you are getting red lighted.

The strength is obvioulsy there, so your solution may be as simple as a mental cue. Just really concentrate on squeezing those glutes at the end of the lift, and pushing outwards on your feet.

Stand up right now and do a couple of fake slow-motion deadlifts. Do one like you typically would, then do another while pushing outwards and contracting those glutes. Feel the difference?

You may find that some rack pulls, while concetrating on using your glutes, will help you develop the motor control that you are lacking.
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Thanks Tedro, this was helpful. Although I lift more than some of the newbies, my form is still evolving and I can use any help I can get! Glute activation is something I have been thinking about for squat as well, but my squat form is another issue and will have to suffice for now, as my next meet is in about 4 weeks.

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[quote]PublickStews wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:
Wow 600lbs! That’s alot of weight man! I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but even with the belt, I would try to squat more instead of bending. When I deadlift, I get bruises on my knees from the bar hitting them on the eccentric and concentric contractions. It is supposed to be more of a squatting movement. But I’m really not trying to offend you, I just don’t want you to have back problems when you get older. Just be really careful.

You’re a moron.[/quote]

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:
Wow 600lbs! That’s alot of weight man! I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but even with the belt, I would try to squat more instead of bending. When I deadlift, I get bruises on my knees from the bar hitting them on the eccentric and concentric contractions. It is supposed to be more of a squatting movement. But I’m really not trying to offend you, I just don’t want you to have back problems when you get older. Just be really careful.

You’re a moron.

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.[/quote]

Digging yourself deeper, want a shovel?

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.[/quote]

WOW what kind of bullshit are they teaching these days?

Look at your picture, that should say it all.

You are a jackass for saying you are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift, why in gods name couldnt one of these school shooting’s occured in your class.

I can can use enough legs in my deadlift that it would take 200lbs off my max, so shut your face. With my luck you will be another jackass personal trainer at my gym. I mean this shit isnt advanced, deadlift form is very basic, and your still confused about it.

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[quote]joburnet wrote:
Digging yourself deeper, want a shovel?
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Don’t worry he brought his own.

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:
Wow 600lbs! That’s alot of weight man! I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but even with the belt, I would try to squat more instead of bending. When I deadlift, I get bruises on my knees from the bar hitting them on the eccentric and concentric contractions. It is supposed to be more of a squatting movement. But I’m really not trying to offend you, I just don’t want you to have back problems when you get older. Just be really careful.

You’re a moron.

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.[/quote]

You weigh one-seventy five, you have 16 posts (not that post counts matter, it’s that you don’t know if someone has anything good to say with 16 posts), and you haven’t told us how much you deadlift. Last time I checked, UConn had the #1 kinesiology program in the country. So if you’re at PSU, I believe that’s inaccurate. I’m sure you have knowledge to share if you’ve worked that much time with athletes, but if you’re trying to help here, how much weight have you helped them add to their lifts, and have you ever helped one who was getting red-lighted at comps? You just don’t seem qualified enough to be telling someone who’s dealifting 650+ pounds that he needs to be squatting more in his deadlift.

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:
Wow 600lbs! That’s alot of weight man! I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but even with the belt, I would try to squat more instead of bending. When I deadlift, I get bruises on my knees from the bar hitting them on the eccentric and concentric contractions. It is supposed to be more of a squatting movement. But I’m really not trying to offend you, I just don’t want you to have back problems when you get older. Just be really careful.

You’re a moron.

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.[/quote]

LOL! What is your max deadlift?

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. [/quote]

Holy crap! The MDs/DOs/DCs/DPTs/PhDs/MSs that frequent this board should bow down to you! We all know a PhD in neurophysiology means shit compared to an incomplete exercise science B.S. And people that can lift 4X the amount you can? Just plain luck.

Anywho, OP - I’d love to see you post in Eric Cressey’s locker room. I think he’s pulled 650@180. It seems like you could use a lot of work on your form, but I’d feel stupid giving someone of your strength any advice.

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Form looks good for the most part, my first 600 pull looked very similar to yours, lots of back. The strength is definitly there but if I could suggest a few things…
Try pushing your chest out (which will arch your back) before your start the pull, dipping the hips down a few more inches may also be benefical. This won’t change the path of your pull, just make it easier on your back and easier effort wise.
Push your chest through the bar at lockout, this will draw back yor shoulders and give the “locked out” look the IPF judges will be looking for, concentrate on locking out those knees as well and keep them locked until you recieve the down command.

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[quote]Uber N3wb wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.

WOW what kind of bullshit are they teaching these days?

Look at your picture, that should say it all.

You are a jackass for saying you are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift, why in gods name couldnt one of these school shooting’s occured in your class.

I can can use enough legs in my deadlift that it would take 200lbs off my max, so shut your face. With my luck you will be another jackass personal trainer at my gym. I mean this shit isnt advanced, deadlift form is very basic, and your still confused about it.

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pulling with your back is what lands you in the hospital. Read any book or valid article that contains material about proper deadlifting form, and you will see what I mean.

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What I deadlift has nothing to do with it. Do you have any idea how often uneducated people like you sustain back injuries every year due to improper deadlifting technique?

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
Uber N3wb wrote:
jmb9286 wrote:

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.

WOW what kind of bullshit are they teaching these days?

Look at your picture, that should say it all.

You are a jackass for saying you are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift, why in gods name couldnt one of these school shooting’s occured in your class.

I can can use enough legs in my deadlift that it would take 200lbs off my max, so shut your face. With my luck you will be another jackass personal trainer at my gym. I mean this shit isnt advanced, deadlift form is very basic, and your still confused about it.

pulling with your back is what lands you in the hospital. Read any book or valid article that contains material about proper deadlifting form, and you will see what I mean.[/quote]

Haha you’re an idiot. For someone who claims to be so highly qualified you’re making rudimentary errors.

I assume the only acceptable, “valid” articles are ones which backs up your view point? Ever read starting strength?? Widely regarded as the number one source on trainnig the basic barbell lifts?

To “squat” a deadlift up you’d need to have your hips low. I’m sure you’ll agree?

Now tell me, how does your blanket assertion apply to 2 people, one with long legs, the other with short? The simple fact of the matter is that it doesn’t. While a short limbed person might get away with it, there is no way somebody with long legs will do the same. Think about it, with their hips low, their knees will be forward of the bar, their shoulders will be way behind it. As soon as they break the floor the bar has to travel AWAY from their centre of gravity to pass their knees. There’s no better way to guarantee a missed deadlift than to let the bar get away from you. I’d like to see how you’ll refute this.

Also, pulling with your back doesn’t put your in hospital. Ed Coan’s pulled over 700lb’s stiff leg, as have many other great powerlifters. Pulling with a round back is what gets you injured.

Now, run along back to the library and read some more books. Make sure your posture is good while you’re sitting down tho, we wouldn’t want you injuring your back.

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
What I deadlift has nothing to do with it. Do you have any idea how often uneducated people like you sustain back injuries every year due to improper deadlifting technique?[/quote]

LOL!

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
What I deadlift has nothing to do with it. Do you have any idea how often uneducated people like you sustain back injuries every year due to improper deadlifting technique?[/quote]

Wrong, what you deadlift has a lot to with it if your going to make unqualified statements. Upper back rounding and shoulder protraction to start the lift is ok, to an extent. Not “locking” the lumbar region into place prior to pulling and not bracing yourself is the problem. Since you’ve received the highest quality of education, you surely have read some work by Dr. Stuart McGill.

You may want to re-read some of his work showing how lower level lifters (read: lift less weight) transfer more stress to their low back than do higher level lifters, who better utilize their hips. Now, go check out a max pull by any world class lifter who pulls conventional like the op and you’ll get my point. Also, the more you squat down past a certain point the more likely it is you will bend your elbows. Is bicep tear third year or fourth? I forget.

Look, in all seriousness, I am sure your getting a good education (especially at PSU), however, if you ever want to use those skills in a real world capacity, you’re going to have to learn to blend science with practice (pun intended).

cheers,

pat

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:

pulling with your back is what lands you in the hospital. Read any book or valid article that contains material about proper deadlifting form, and you will see what I mean.[/quote]

I wouldnt be suprized if I have done more readign and reasearching than you as far as lifting goes.

I have read countless articles about deadlifting, you know how I know which ones are valid? They say the exact opposite of what you recomend.

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I think that I might be speaking from a different perspective than you guys. I deadlift for football and rugby. That is where I learned to deadlift. To clear this up, are you suggesting that deadlifting for football and deadlifting competitively are different?

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
I think that I might be speaking from a different perspective than you guys. I deadlift for football and rugby. That is where I learned to deadlift. To clear this up, are you suggesting that deadlifting for football and deadlifting competitively are different?[/quote]

To a certain extent, training the deadlift for powerlifting and deadlifting to improve your sport performance are of course different (possibly more emphasis on arched upper back and retracted scaps, etc also possibly more double overhand grip work). However, IMO your still short changing yourself in terms of realizing a training effect and doing the movement flat out wrong if your trying to “squat” the weight up, period.

pat

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:
I think that I might be speaking from a different perspective than you guys. I deadlift for football and rugby. That is where I learned to deadlift. To clear this up, are you suggesting that deadlifting for football and deadlifting competitively are different?[/quote]

Nope, they are exactly the same. Powerlifting form deadlift would probably be better for football and rugby than (squating the bar up)

Rounded upper back deadlifting can be used by bodybuilders, powerlifters, athletes, everyone. Its just a certain style of deadlift that most would assume is only for powerlifting.

But there is no sport, that benefits more from squating the deadlift up, than doing a proper deadlift with it. You want to squat? Put a bar on your back, the deadlift is not a squat.

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[quote]jmb9286 wrote:

Are you an exercise science major? No? I didn’t think so. But I am. And I am getting my degree from the number one university in the world for exercise science. I’m looking out for the guy’s health. You are supposed to squat as much as possible in the deadlift. Spending hundreds of hours observing football players, powerlifters, and bodybuilders on all levels in person would qualify me over you.[/quote]

Did he really just post that? Holy shit.

I am going to tell you the same thing I tell every cocky little shit I hire right out of college thinking their grades and degree mean something.

Having a degree shows you know how to learn. Your grades imply your proficiency. Congratulations.

Now learn how to apply what you have learned.

Your statements on this thread show you are not experienced enough to know what you don’t know.

That’s OK but don’t try to make yourself something you clearly are not.

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alright thanks fellas. I apologize for the inconveniance also.