[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I ran out of energy with the grains and dairy topic. Perhaps it will be restored when people actually show me examples of people whose health was ruined because of grains and dairy. Until then, I’m shot. [/quote]
Brick, not being a dick (but starting to) I could drink alcohol everyday of the week and probably perform and look better than most. Does that mean I should go ahead and do it? No, that’s ridiculous.
Let me ask you. Have you ever done an elimination diet and if so what changes did you notice? How about everybody else throwing their 2 cents in?
Also, top level anything are outliers are do not represent the population as a whole.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I ran out of energy with the grains and dairy topic. Perhaps it will be restored when people actually show me examples of people whose health was ruined because of grains and dairy. Until then, I’m shot. [/quote]
Brick, not being a dick (but starting to) I could drink alcohol everyday of the week and probably perform and look better than most. Does that mean I should go ahead and do it? No, that’s ridiculous.
Let me ask you. Have you ever done an elimination diet and if so what changes did you notice? How about everybody else throwing their 2 cents in?
Also, top level anything are outliers are do not represent the population as a whole. [/quote]
I have never done an elimination diet, though, if I felt the need to, I would rather opt for a fairly inexpensive blood test for an objective analysis.
I’m also skeptical how everyone is feeling so much better and energetic after eliminating grains and dairy. Does this mean that everyone is walking around feeling crappy usually?!
I eat grains and I feel FINE! Actually, I’ve remained my somewhat hyper self while taking in grains and dairy for almost everyday of my life. I also don’t see all the basketcases who are so because of the result of grain and dairy intake.
I’ve never done an elimination diet because I’ve never had a need to. Well, maybe I have. Deep fried foods have my stomach feeling like shit! So I stay away. Same goes for Indian dishes; so I don’t go to Indian restaurants.
Otherwise it requires too much thinking and hassle for me. Once that happens in training and diet, I don’t do it.
Why do paleos, or whatever the new-Age no dairy/grains group is, get so sensitive on this subject? It’s like, you have to get everyone to agree with you guys, and throw a bitch fit when things don’t go your way.
I tried taking out dairy and grains and I realized that it will just be a diet to me, not a long-term thing. And I’m not into fads.
I haven’t noticed the stellar effects that have been mentioned. My skin is just about flawless with the dairy/grains, I don’t bloat or whatever supposed side effects there are to eating grains and dairy, and I didn’t find that it helped my performance in the gym.
So if others noticed the same thing as me, then why should they change their diet? To be as moody as the people posting in this thread?
I like to have my bran cereal and eat it too, thank you.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I ran out of energy with the grains and dairy topic. Perhaps it will be restored when people actually show me examples of people whose health was ruined because of grains and dairy. Until then, I’m shot. [/quote]
So, nobody actually eliminated anything, but still argue that they know how they will feel without doing it. Hmmm.
Blood work? How is that going to be more effective at gauging your body than actually doing it?
Nikki, I’m not into fads either. Sensitive? Not any more than you with your posts. You guys argue just as much as I or anyone else.
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Blood work? How is that going to be more effective at gauging your body than actually doing it?[/quote]
Because it is objective. You either exhibit the antibody-mediated response or you do not. If you don’t, you do not need to worry about being ‘allergic’ to that particular food.
It is not biased, there is no placebo, the tests do not care which side of the fence you sit on and it rules out other variables that can explain the changes in how you ‘feel’.
It is simpler as all you need to do is show up, give blood and let the technicians figure it out for you. It is more convenient as you do not need to rely on an entire overhaul of your diet for weeks and weeks.
While it may cost a little bit, $175 for 95 food allergies is hardly breaking the bank, particularly when you consider that the results may very well impact the way you eat for the rest of your life.
Sometimes I stop and think that we’ve overanalyzed diet and training to a ridiculous degree. There were old timers - and I mean old, OLD timer - who were much bigger and stronger than we’ll ever be, and they felt fine and performed fine. People like Chuck Sipes, John Grimek, Steve Reeves, Vince Gironda, George Turner, and Reg Park come to mind.
Here’s how my JACKED grandfather - who could outperform most on this board physically back in the day and fought in the Pacific in WWII - did it.
Meal 1
Oatmeal, potatoes, and/or toast
Eggs
Fruit
Bacon
Meal 2
Large sandwich
milk
fruit
Meal 3
Large salad
Entree (protein)
Starch
Dessert and/or fruit
This guy did more pushups and pullups than we can count and ran more miles than most of us can count. I’m NOT saying that what he did with diet was ideal, but they didn’t have sophisticated sports nutrition back then and many people back then FELT fine and DID fine.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
So, nobody actually eliminated anything, but still argue that they know how they will feel without doing it. Hmmm.
Blood work? How is that going to be more effective at gauging your body than actually doing it?
Nikki, I’m not into fads either. Sensitive? Not any more than you with your posts. You guys argue just as much as I or anyone else.
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually. [/quote]
I get lab values once every three to twelve months, depending on either if I’m going to my andrologist/urologist or family physician for a physical - basic metabolic panel; hormones (T, free T, estradiol, LH, FSH); and lipids.
BMP and lipids always come out normal, so I don’t mess with dietary choices.
I’m NOT saying you don’t have your points or what you say has no weight; I just don’t understand all of this dairy and grains scare.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually. [/quote]
That’s great, but I don’t understand why you feel like you should tell others what they should be eating.
Why can’t people just voice their opinions without bashing others or forcing their ideas onto someone else?
My post wasn’t sensitive, I’m just able to say what I feel without telling others “You have to eat like me if you want to live.”
Heh, that reminds me of Arnold. “Eat like me if you want to leeve.”
Ah…
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually. [/quote]
Not really, because wheat and milk protein is in a lot of stuff you would not suspect it.
Especially wheat is everywhere so you do not even know that you have a problem because you never felt any other way.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Anonym, just asking, but do you have to be completely allergic to trigger a response? How allergic? Do you think the data or other info ever changes? [/quote]
Dont you know anything about the immune system?
Google Igg antybodies and type 3 allergies.
To put it very shortly Igg antibodies build up over time and it is dose dependent so it gets progressively worse if you continue to eat the same foods.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually. [/quote]
That’s great, but I don’t understand why you feel like you should tell others what they should be eating.
Why can’t people just voice their opinions without bashing others or forcing their ideas onto someone else?
My post wasn’t sensitive, I’m just able to say what I feel without telling others “You have to eat like me if you want to live.”
Heh, that reminds me of Arnold. “Eat like me if you want to leeve.”
Ah…[/quote]
I’m not telling anyone how to eat. I’m just saying there are other ways to eat than the typical muscle mag diet. I also never bashed anyone. Why you so bent out of shape?
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Thing is I HAVE noticed changes and many, many others have to. I don’t need blood work or anything else to realize what I should be eating. Pretty simple actually. [/quote]
That’s great, but I don’t understand why you feel like you should tell others what they should be eating.
Why can’t people just voice their opinions without bashing others or forcing their ideas onto someone else?
My post wasn’t sensitive, I’m just able to say what I feel without telling others “You have to eat like me if you want to live.”
Heh, that reminds me of Arnold. “Eat like me if you want to leeve.”
Ah…[/quote]
I’m not telling anyone how to eat. I’m just saying there are other ways to eat than the typical muscle mag diet. I also never bashed anyone. Why you so bent out of shape? [/quote]
But not in one of my posts did I say your name. So why are you assuming that I was even referring to you?
I wasn’t referring to anyone actually, it’s just a trend that I’ve noticed for a long time.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
not something I could extrapolate to 5.5 billion other people.[/quote]
EXACTLY!
Which goes to show why just because it nearly killed someone posting above, it doesn’t mean that anyone else has to avoid gluten entirely unless they have good reason to.
My mother is allergic to ALL seafood - ANYTHING from the ocean. Does this mean that I should chuck the 50 cans of tuna out of my apartment. Perhaps because SOME people go into anaphylactic shock because of seafood intake,all on this board should do also!
Maybe we’re not “meant” to eat fish because a tiny minority can’t deal with it.