Critique Da Diet!

Nutrition
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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m probably hitting up a German place this Friday. Probably gonna get a krainerwurst, bratwurst, and potato salad deal there. Or a hunter’s cutlet. [/quote]

Chicken schiniztel (sp?) is always a good choice.

I’m not sure what the big deal is about grains/dairy–I include about 3-4 servings of each a day when I’m not prepping for a contest.[/quote]

There has not been ONE high ranking or elite bodbybuilder athlete who avoids grain and dairy intake!

I want the anti-grain-anti-dairy-Paleo squad to show me one.

What Olympia competitor doesn’t eat grains?

What high ranking NATURAL bodybuilder doesn’t eat grains?

I want to see one. [/quote]

Phil Hernon, for one…technically not high ranking but definitely had the physique to place, were it not for legal issues.

BTW, do you have an e-mail? I’m trying to PM you but I cant seem to do it.

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I don’t do PMs. Get at me on Facebook or my regular email.

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Phil Hernon once ate burgers (with buns) like a freaking madman!

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OK, the hubpages are not showing up. Just search for me on FB or My Space. I don’t use Da Space that much, so I’m more likely to reply on Da Book!

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I just really don’t see what’s going on here. You’ll see all over fitness forums and Face Book people vilifying dairy and graings. I just don’t get it, as people have been doing just fine for a long, LONG time with dairy and grains. [/quote]

WTF is a graings? Aren’t they like the devil or somethaings?

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Brick, how can I find you on FB? What is your name to search for?

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[quote]hlss09 wrote:
Brick, how can I find you on FB? What is your name to search for?[/quote]

if you have to ask… you cant be friends

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Tried cleaning things up a little yesterday:

Meal 1
7 egg whites, 1 yolk, peppers and onions, 1 oz cheese
small amount of Smart Balance butter
1 cup oatmeal
strawberries

Meal 2
large multi-grain roll
ham, turkey, Swiss cheese, canola mayo, lettuce, tomato, onions
apple

Pre-run in the f---- freezing cold!: Greek yogurt, nuts, raisins

Meal 3:
Large salad with olive oil and vinegar
hodge podge of mashed potatoes and 6 oz lean ground beef with fat free gravy
grapes[/quote] If you wanted to clear up things a little more, without reducing your calories, would you replace the post-WO carbs with fat, or would you have less carbs pre-WO and more carbs (and less fat) post-WO?

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
Why do people make it sound like 95% of the world’s population can’t handle wheat and dairy?

Brick’s not nomming on nitrate-cured bacon all day. But he’s going to die because he had cheese on wheat? Bah.

I guess I’m part of the 5% that has an extraordinary digestive system.

EDIT: I’m not being bitchy, just venting; I’ve encountered quite a bit of pushy Paleos in my day, so I take my frustration out on the innocent… :D[/quote]

Agreed. If you truly ARE paranoid about food allergies, you can obtain a blood test for $175 that tests 95 different types of food (including the dreaded grains and milk). This particular panel would test for IgG, not IgE, so it does not consider the serious food allergies that result in anaphylaxis.

But, no one would ever consider doing that… because then, they might find they have no reason to be so smug about their dietary habits.[/quote]

I did that-

I am allergic to anything containing gluten.

Not just a little bit, more like off the charts, Igg counts beyond celiacs disease off the charts.

Explained a lot.

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This allergy test… it’s administered by a Naturopathic doctor ?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
OK, the hubpages are not showing up. Just search for me on FB or My Space. I don’t use Da Space that much, so I’m more likely to reply on Da Book! [/quote]

Yeah I don’t have a facebook and I cant find you on myspace…? I have a question that I need to ask you.

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It’s Bradley Grunner. Use that to search for me on FB.

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Oh, forgot to see you don’t have FB.

Just use my name there too.

Or at last resort, just post the question in this thread. It’s not like it’s going to derail some important thrread here. And it if it does, we can just start a new thread.

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[quote]tolismann wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Tried cleaning things up a little yesterday:

Meal 1
7 egg whites, 1 yolk, peppers and onions, 1 oz cheese
small amount of Smart Balance butter
1 cup oatmeal
strawberries

Meal 2
large multi-grain roll
ham, turkey, Swiss cheese, canola mayo, lettuce, tomato, onions
apple

Pre-run in the f---- freezing cold!: Greek yogurt, nuts, raisins

Meal 3:
Large salad with olive oil and vinegar
hodge podge of mashed potatoes and 6 oz lean ground beef with fat free gravy
grapes[/quote] If you wanted to clear up things a little more, without reducing your calories, would you replace the post-WO carbs with fat, or would you have less carbs pre-WO and more carbs (and less fat) post-WO?
[/quote]

I don’t think those small changes will make much of a difference for most. After all, you’re talking about calories being the same.

With controlling weight, total protein and caloric amount hold more weight than macronutrient content, but I still believe (though I might be wrong) that macronutrient composition of the diet does matter and that people respond in different ways to different macronutrient compositions.

So the only way to see if another strategy works is to use it and see what happens.

I MYSELF am not the example of someone who is using or so interested in manipulation of details of a diet for reasons I’ve mentioned elsewhere and that I think some people get annoyed hearing ad nauseum from me. However, I’ll say them again because I’m speaking with you specifically.

Such attention to detail at this point of life reaps little reward. Whether I bench 255 or 275 makes no difference to me (used to be a lot stronger); whether I see 4 abs instead of 6 makes no difference to me; whether people say “You’re in good shape,” or “Holy shit! You see that guy? He’s fucking huge/shredded,” makes no difference to me; and whether I run a mile in 6 minutes or 7 minutes makes no difference to me.

All I want is decent body composition (for a good appearance), good health, and some “OK” fitness levels (some strength, endurance, athleticism) and FUN!

So I follow an “OK” diet and get “OK” results.

And I accept this!

And I’m a much happier person now that I have this outlook and “OK” regimen.

Others will need to make more sacrifices and follow much stricter regimentation and pay attention to detail because they will NOT be happy with “OK” results.

There’s no way of getting around this. If you want to be jacked, then there’s little room for flexibility for allocation of recreational/off-work time considering you MUST be in the gym at designated times and MUST follow a diet conducive to gains that can be as linear and steady as possible.

So from here on in, I’ll share what I know and think in the CONTEXT of the discussion.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I want the anti-grain-anti-dairy-Paleo squad to show me one.

What Olympia competitor doesn’t eat grains?

What high ranking NATURAL bodybuilder doesn’t eat grains?

I want to see one. [/quote]

Pretty sure these guys ^^^^ aren’t to worried about their health in the short term. Grains and dairy are an easier and less expensive way to get the necessary macros. That is all. Eating is another job to them so they make it easy as possible.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I want the anti-grain-anti-dairy-Paleo squad to show me one.

What Olympia competitor doesn’t eat grains?

What high ranking NATURAL bodybuilder doesn’t eat grains?

I want to see one. [/quote]

Pretty sure these guys ^^^^ aren’t to worried about their health in the short term. Grains and dairy are an easier and less expensive way to get the necessary macros. That is all. Eating is another job to them so they make it easy as possible.[/quote]

I actually don’t understand your post considering dairy and grains pose no health risks.

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Actually - and I’m not saying this to argue - I have no idea what your post means at all.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I want the anti-grain-anti-dairy-Paleo squad to show me one.

What Olympia competitor doesn’t eat grains?

What high ranking NATURAL bodybuilder doesn’t eat grains?

I want to see one. [/quote]

Pretty sure these guys ^^^^ aren’t to worried about their health in the short term. Grains and dairy are an easier and less expensive way to get the necessary macros. That is all. Eating is another job to them so they make it easy as possible.[/quote]

I actually don’t understand your post considering dairy and grains pose no health risks. [/quote]

I think he is saying regular dairy and grain consumption cause long term health issues but most bodybuilders just care about hitting their daily macros.

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I ran out of energy with the grains and dairy topic. Perhaps it will be restored when people actually show me examples of people whose health was ruined because of grains and dairy. Until then, I’m shot.

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What I’m saying is that people cut out dairy, grains, etc for a reason. They feel and perform better. Not all people are the same though.

I’m not saying dairy and grains are long term health risks. What I’m saying is those things don’t even come to mind. Have you seen how many pills some of these guys pop?

It’s funny. Some of these guys around here wouldn’t do an elimination diet to see what happens. I did and I have a view point from experience where some have never tried anything new. Just because someone isn’t overweight, or has dark circles under their eyes, low test levels, etc… doesn’t mean they couldn’t improve their health.

You don’t know how you COULD feel if you never try.