Criticize My Eating Plan

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I don’t suggest so many fruits for a fat loss diet. I wrote 6 to 10 servings of fruits AND veggies. He eats NO veggies.

Some fruits have a low glycemic load and index. I don’t see why 1 or 2 can’t be consumed on a high-carb day.

But it also depends on how restrictive the diet needs to be. Do you want to lose the weight gradually with a lifesytle diet or carb-cycling approach, or do you have to lose fat FAST or are you getting ready for an event?[/quote]

Makes sense, I just never found a use for them, I was just curious about the benefits. I’m slowly working towards trying to keep my body “healthy” so to speak, as well as looking healthy. In the past I only cared if I looked good, then my doc told me I was on the path to heart disease and I had to change a few things haha. Fruits and veggies though, fuck, I hate them!

It’s sort of Prep to a Prep-to-an event. Basically, i’m carrying too much subcutaneous fat right now where it’d take me a good 20 weeks (at a pound a week) to successfully “diet down” to contest ready. I dont want that. I want an in between stage that I can evaluate where I need to go if I am to do a contest(add more mass/lean out more etc.)

GOALS: 8-10% Bodyfat(to judge where i should go from there)
Retain As much muscle as possible

I need my plan hammered out tonight so I can start clean tomorrow and i want to make sure that it is structurally sound.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
How come so much fruit is being suggested on a fat loss diet? I mean carbs are carbs. Never would I have a piece of fruit in between every meal. As far as veggies, meh, I just take a veggie complex pill.[/quote]

It’s not that I mind veg, I just need to figure out the fastest way to strip the fat off of me while still feeling comfortable, and every time ive eaten a substantial amount of veg in a day, i fucken fat and shit like crazy, and im gonna kill someone accidentally with explosive flatulence if i do so.

I actually just looked at your diet :slight_smile:

Why are the fats so low and the carbs so high? I’d have the majority of my meals P+F, not P+C.

Yeah? What do you think the macro breakdown should be? I’m open to all suggestions.

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Yeah? What do you think the macro breakdown should be? I’m open to all suggestions.[/quote]

You wrote above that you’re losing fat and that the diet is going good; that peri-workout nutrition is working too. I’m still confused as to why you need MORE pointers.

You pretty much said a diet is working but want more help.

This forum is completely confusing me now.

Some dude lost NINE pounds in TWO weeks from the RFL diet and is now abandoning it. It’s almost to the point where I think people are either fucking nuts or just want to talk to people. Now, being nuts and wanting to talk about working out are fine; nothing wrong with them. But I’m still SO confused.

You wrote above that you’re losing fat and that the diet is going good; that peri-workout nutrition is working too. I’m still confused as to why you need MORE pointers.

You pretty much said a diet is working but want more help.

This forum is completely confusing me now.

Some dude lost NINE pounds in TWO weeks from the RFL diet and is now abandoning it. It’s almost to the point where I think people are either fucking nuts or just want to talk to people. Now, being nuts and wanting to talk about working out are fine; nothing wrong with them. But I’m still SO confused.

Oh, well if it’s working for you stick with it. :slight_smile:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
You wrote above that you’re losing fat and that the diet is going good; that peri-workout nutrition is working too. I’m still confused as to why you need MORE pointers.

You pretty much said a diet is working but want more help.

This forum is completely confusing me now.

Some dude lost NINE pounds in TWO weeks from the RFL diet and is now abandoning it. It’s almost to the point where I think people are either fucking nuts or just want to talk to people. Now, being nuts and wanting to talk about working out are fine; nothing wrong with them. But I’m still SO confused. [/quote]

Lol. I know it seems a bit strange, i’m pretty much just new at this whole carb cycling deal.

My previous attempts at dieting down were simply lowering calories and keeping protein high, running 5 days a week after my workout sessions, same cals every week until progress stagnated, then lowered em a bit more, etc.

I know that for many people, carb cycling is simple, and indeed it would be if it were 6 exactly the same meals every day etc, but im trying to do P+F and P+C only.

I’ve never had any meals except P+F+C up until 3 weeks ago, and I just want to make sure im doing it right.

Im taking in about 350g of protein a day.

320g carbs on high days (160 complex and 160 fast carbs during workouts)
220g on med days, and 100 on low days (cardio days, complex carbs only).

The 3 meals are protein shakes, and the other 3 are solid food.

The carbs are mainly brown rice and oatmeal, except for workouts, where they are juices.

The fats are just from meat, fish oil, and CLA.

Basically i want to end up looking like this:


NOT LIKE THIS:

Are you going to compete? I ask because you posted a pic of bodybuilders in competition. I don’t see all the damn trouble of looking like you compete if you don’t compete. Ryan Andrews put it best in his blog on Precision Nutrition once: “I’m sorry; either you compete or you don’t.”

I doubt you’re going to get the appropriate amount of fat for P+F combination meals just from fish oil, fat in meats, and CLA capsules. Did you whip out a calculator and calculate this diet?

I want to compete eventually. I copied my fat intake from Thibs Carb Cycling Codex:

"2) When trying to lose fat:

High(er) carb days = 330g protein, 344g carbs, 33g fat

Moderate days = 330g protein, 275g carbs, 33g fat

Low(er) carb days = 330g protein, 206g carbs, 33g fat"

And the protein and carbs were modified to what best would suit my daily routine.

I read that article some time ago. What weight are those numbers based on? Did you just mindlessly follow macronutrient recommendations that aren’t based on YOUR weight?

Those recommendations wouldn’t allow for more than maybe 1 P+F meal.

I wasn’t mindlessly following those reccomendations.

Those stats were on a 220lb male bodybuilder. I weigh 25 lbs more than that, with a LBM of around 208-210.

Im getting in around 350-375g protein, a gallon and a half of water per day, and of course the carbs vary. but the fat can stay the same at around 40g according to the article.

But that’s according to the article. That is why I am asking if anyone sees any errors/suggestions etc.

In the article, he has the guy eating somewhere around 2800 cals for a base day to lose fat. If i were to eat that amount as a base day, I would look like a skeleton with flab in 2 months.

So what’s your problem?

Sir, are you suggesting that there may be no errors in my diet plan(that I start tomorrow)?

If so, then I thank you for your help. :slight_smile:

Right. I said that before too. I know you want to get it right, and that’s why–thinking back on it–I might have subconsciously acted a little jerky. You know, like a devil’s advocate. I apologize.

You wrote that you’re feeling good and you’re losing fat. You designed your own diet. There’s no problem. But I still think you should eat far more vegetables and a fruit here and there on a high-carb day and when you return to a lifestyle diet. This isn’t all about calories and macronutrients. Micronutrients (vitamins, minerals) matter too! Check Dr. Berardi’s articles; he’s big on veggies and fruits.

I’m not the mayor of the nutrition forum. However, and I said before, too many people either a) freak out and micromanage to the point of not moving forward and driving themselves nuts (and maybe sometimes others) or b) come on here and ask questions that aren’t really quantifiable (I don’t even know if this is the right word, but I’m using it).

For example–and again, I’ve said this before–people come on here with questions like:

“I’m trying the ----- Diet. Is it OK if I switch up… and increase my…?”
“I just started the ---- Program. Is it OK if I just toss in some…?”
“Is this good?”
“Is this bad?”
“Is it OK if I eat pears and apples at the same time?”

How can someone answer these kinds of questions?

I say this (and so does Jim Wendler): “If it works, it’s good. If it doesn’t work, it’s bad” Maybe if people started thinking in this simple, yet profound manner, they’d save themselves a lot of emotional energy and in turn, maybe some physical energy. I think the more time that’s spent thinking of dumb shit and the minutia of dieting and training, the less emotional and physical momentum you have to go forward.

I personally don’t count calories anymore. I’m not concerned with getting huge anymore, I don’t want to compete (once had this aspiration), and I’m in a position in life where constantly thinking about every gram of food going in my mouth, my weight, and my poundages and routine will drive me fucking nuts! It almost did once. I give huge credit to the men in their late 20s or early 30s and beyond who still have the emotional and mental room to micromanage their diet and training while having a whole lot of other shit to do. I know I can’t do it anymore, at least not for now. Don’t get me wrong: I still work out religiously and seriously and adhere to a diet. It’s just not nearly as hardcore and extreme as it once was.

I lift three times per week, do intervals and low-intensity cardio and stretching and mobility drills. I count portions, not calories. All I do is this and it maintains my weight:

6 meals
40 to 60 grams of protein per meak
15 grams of fat per meal
Fist size portion of carbs at each meal except for the 6th-last meal
Veggies at most meals
3 fruits per day
Non-sexy peri-workout nutrition (whey powder and juice)

I do a Westside for Skinny Bastards type of template but do speed work for the upper body. I’m going to buy Joe Defranco’s Built Like a Badass this week. Granted I don’t use cookie cutter routines, but I want to see what this book is about.

Interval training is done with a 1:3 work-rest ratio.

This is as much detail for my diet and training as I’m willing to adhere to; anything else, any other nit-picking just drives me fucking nuts at this point of life. It allows me to have different foods everyday too. I don’t know what the total calories are, and I don’t give a shit. It’s maintaining my weight: 215 to 220#. I try to break PRs when I’m in the gym, but I have to admit, some of the workouts are just that: workouts. God, I never thought I’d be one of those guys that just shows up to “work out” or “fit” a workout in.

I’m not saying that there aren’t some people who should be shitting, living, breathing bodybuilding. There are! Those who want to be huge for the sake of it and those who compete might have to do that most of the time. If that’s you, then fucking do it! Count calories, take stats regularly, look in the mirror, etc. But don’t question what’s working.

Thanks for the friend add, Sar.

Thanks again man, much respect.