Creatine = Bad?

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
“to say that i know better then a gr.12 exercise science book”

Wow.

College textbooks are usually 5 or so years behind the research if they have very good contributors due to the publication and distribution process… I hate to think how far behind a 12th grade exercise science book would be.

Who was the author for the creatine section in the book?

-Dan[/quote]

This is what I was thinkign as well, I figured the book mustve been 10years old, so when I went to check out the book and when it was published shes all like “no, give me my book what are you gonna do, correct it?”…ignorance is so annoying.

[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
tpa wrote:
Are you an Ontario high school student? I’m just wondering what grade 12 textbook says that creatine is unhealthy? I would never tell my students this.

Yes I am…which is what I thought too How the hell does this get put in a book that is going to be taught to a ton of students, most of which know no better.

Also prof I understand the whole arguing with the teacher type thing isn’t a good way to go, but there are a lot of discussions in exercise science, why not discuss from the oppisite end?[/quote]

Again, could you please tell me the name of this textbook?

[quote]tpa wrote:
Rookie21 wrote:
tpa wrote:
Are you an Ontario high school student? I’m just wondering what grade 12 textbook says that creatine is unhealthy? I would never tell my students this.

Yes I am…which is what I thought too How the hell does this get put in a book that is going to be taught to a ton of students, most of which know no better.

Also prof I understand the whole arguing with the teacher type thing isn’t a good way to go, but there are a lot of discussions in exercise science, why not discuss from the oppisite end?

Again, could you please tell me the name of this textbook?[/quote]

Alright, next time i see my friend ill let you know.

I’m currently in the middle of the book “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie and he describes some situations very similar to what you experienced. I found out about this book from the article 40 random things by Eric Cressey here on T-Nation.

From what I’ve learned from this book and life in general is that people don’t want to be shown they are wrong. It is a blow to their ego. People will change their minds on their own all the time, but as soon as someone tells them they are wrong, they get defensive. You can’t shove your viewpoint down people’s throats. You have to let them “discover” it themselves.

[quote]Defender wrote:
I always like to put those people on the defensive and have them explain their positions. At best, their arguments usually fall back to relying on the words of “experts.” It only takes a few well-placed questions to leave them looking like stammering idiots.

Her: Creatine is bad for you.

You: Really? Where did you hear that?

Her: I read it.

You: Where did you read it? I’d be interested in reading it, too.

Her: I don’t remember exactly, but I know I read it.

You: If you remember, could you let me know? I’m always interested in hearing about differing opinions on the subject.

Trust me. If you peel back enough layers, you’re eventually going to expose the person’s lack of knowledge.

And if you do it in a polite manner, without arousing resentment, they will either have to agree that they are basically repeating someone else’s opinion without having confirmed it for themselves, or they will become increasingly defensive.

As long as you maintain an objective appearance, they will either have to back off their initial statement or look like a bumbling, hardheaded fool in front of everyone.[/quote]

These are some very good tips. If you can remain polite, tactful, and subtle in your approach to these things, people will more often realize their error on their own. Especially if you appear to just be exchanging facts and not strictly expressing an opinion.

You can slip in various tidbits for them to think about without making it look like you’re trying to change their mind or prove them wrong. If they “discover” the error in their ways themselves, they will be more likely to admit it and change their mind than if you tell them they are wrong. Telling them “you’re wrong” just makes them want to hold onto their viewpoint even more.

[quote]Derock wrote:
If they “discover” the error in their ways themselves, they will be more likely to admit it and change their mind than if you tell them they are wrong.[/quote]

Exactly.

I once left a print out of one of the T-Nation soy articles in the lunchroom at an old job.

It created a huge discussion among about a dozen or so people one lunch time.

There was no way any of them would have listened to me if I had said a single word about soy - but because it was a text and not “something some guy said” and particularly because they discovered it themselves, they were really quite receptive to it.

[quote]The Grizzly wrote:
Rookie21 wrote:
Still wondering, how the hell does something like “creatine/protein/whatever supplement is unhealthy” get put into books that are being taught to people across the province…I just dont get it.

Because there are articles such as this one.

http://www.armpullers.com/nutirtion/creatine.htm

[/quote]

It’s about time someone devoted a website to serious discussions about “nutirtion”

Creatine causes ED and hair loss. Stay away from it. Stick with synthol.

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Creatine causes ED and hair loss. Stay away from it. Stick with synthol.[/quote]

PGA, why dont you get your head out of your ass. We all know that creatine causes ED and hairloss, but synthol allows us to inject it into our dicks to solve the ED. Creatine is safe again.

[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
Still wondering, how the hell does something like “creatine/protein/whatever supplement is unhealthy” get put into books that are being taught to people across the province…I just dont get it.[/quote]

Its thanks to websites and media like this : http://www.teengrowth.com/index.cfm?action=info_advice&ID_Advice=2406&category=sports&catdesc=Sports&subdesc=Free , http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/musclepulls.html ,
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/creatine.html (slightly mor fair than other two) and ignorance on the part of MDs & socalled “researchers” who side with the FDA/health canada or other currupt health organizations.

Also if annyone wants to educate people proproly about Creatine here are some links: http://www.kenston.k12.oh.us/KHS/weightlifting/creatine_story.htm , http://www.hdlighthouse.org/research/drugs-supps/updates/1219creatine.php , http://www.mdausa.org/research/creatine.html , http://www.informedparent.com/articles/template.php?article=creatinepart2 , Caffeine may reduce insulin sensitivity,
http://www.wwu.edu/chw/ask_the_doc/post/1001-2000/1291.html ,

nothing bugs me more than ignorance and stupidity put in a text book!!! cant wait to dispute this with my teacher.

“I?m 14 years old and have been weight lifting for a month to “bulk up” for baseball and football. How fast should I increase the weight I lift? Should I take anything to gain weight, like vitamins or steroids?”

Ahhhhhhh hahahahahahaa.

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
“I?m 14 years old and have been weight lifting for a month to “bulk up” for baseball and football. How fast should I increase the weight I lift? Should I take anything to gain weight, like vitamins or steroids?”

Ahhhhhhh hahahahahahaa.[/quote] i happen to be 15 and have asked a similar question check out this link for more info
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=6E47AD97679C3ED97574506A64348831.hydra?id=1245399&pageNo=0#1255857