Craig Titus Prison Transfer

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
Really i dont give a shit about how people in prison are treated. IMO prison is way to easy. They have technology, tv, PCs, education, they get paid for their work, the list goes on. Complete bullshit. Depending on the severity of the prison and the inmates, i believe prison needs to be revamped.

No outside contact with anyone not related to the law system. No family, i dont care if your mom fucking died. You did the crime now live with it.

No sharing cells, no congregations, no meeting areas, no playing together, none of that. Complete isolation for everyone. 1 cell 4 walls, no window. you are allowed to leave your cell 1 time a day and escorted outside in a small fenced in cage where you can do whatever the fuck you want for 30 minutes. You are allowed 1 shower a WEEK. again on a schedule, showering alone.

If IFFFF you serve part of your sentence without any issues then you are allowed to make license plates or do laundry or whatever the hell menial lowly labor they can think of and you will not ever get a DIME for it. You will be happy to just be out of your cell for a few more hours a day.

No continuing education to make you better. WTF. You committed RAPE, MURDER, you are not going to get an education on my damn tax dollars.

So no i dont really give a damn if some COs treat the prisoners like shit. Good.

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Ridiculous. Everyone in jail didn’t rape and kill someone. You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.[/quote]

My best friend spent a year in the Federal Penn on gun charges that were eventually overturned on appeal and even at his sentencing, the Federal judge let it be known that it was bullshit. Without going into a lot of detail, my buddy is an ex-Ranger who got killed TWICE in combat and resuscitated defending this country. Every guard in there knew that if he fucking decided to, they were dead and he could walk out the door. His charges were non-violent and he was a model prisoner, but I guess someone like mochamarshmallow99 feels that regardless, he wasn’t deserving of respect.
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This. The fact is that people screw up, lawyers, judges, everyone can. I was brought in and was going to be charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapons without a permit…except my state doesn’t require a permit anymore. So, because prosecution and judges make mistakes we just should not give respect to people? Man, people are damn fools.

[Professor_X]

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
Really i dont give a shit about how people in prison are treated. IMO prison is way to easy. They have technology, tv, PCs, education, they get paid for their work, the list goes on. Complete bullshit. Depending on the severity of the prison and the inmates, i believe prison needs to be revamped.

No outside contact with anyone not related to the law system. No family, i dont care if your mom fucking died. You did the crime now live with it.

No sharing cells, no congregations, no meeting areas, no playing together, none of that. Complete isolation for everyone. 1 cell 4 walls, no window. you are allowed to leave your cell 1 time a day and escorted outside in a small fenced in cage where you can do whatever the fuck you want for 30 minutes. You are allowed 1 shower a WEEK. again on a schedule, showering alone.

If IFFFF you serve part of your sentence without any issues then you are allowed to make license plates or do laundry or whatever the hell menial lowly labor they can think of and you will not ever get a DIME for it. You will be happy to just be out of your cell for a few more hours a day.

No continuing education to make you better. WTF. You committed RAPE, MURDER, you are not going to get an education on my damn tax dollars.

So no i dont really give a damn if some COs treat the prisoners like shit. Good.

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Ridiculous. Everyone in jail didn’t rape and kill someone. You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.[/quote]

My best friend spent a year in the Federal Penn on gun charges that were eventually overturned on appeal and even at his sentencing, the Federal judge let it be known that it was bullshit. Without going into a lot of detail, my buddy is an ex-Ranger who got killed TWICE in combat and resuscitated defending this country. Every guard in there knew that if he fucking decided to, they were dead and he could walk out the door. His charges were non-violent and he was a model prisoner, but I guess someone like mochamarshmallow99 feels that regardless, he wasn’t deserving of respect.
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That sentiment usually comes from people with either very little exposure to anyone who has actually been in jail, little kids with a complete black and white view of the world…or someone who was a victim (or family of one).

Our own judicial system has way too many flaws for anyone in their right mind to hold that opinion, however. They see all inmates as “animals” and not as “humans who can be rehabilitated” or simply productive citizens.

I personally think the whole system is screwed the fuck up. ex-cons can not find work…meaning it is very easy for them to return to their previous activities since many legal options are now completely closed off.

Some guy in jail for drug possession of marijuana deserves no contact with his mother while she dies? really?

What a fucked up world that would be.

I can only assume the people holding that opinion are guaranteed to never fall within the system in their life time.

It must be nice to have that much faith in a faulted system.

It must also be bliss to not realize how crowded and OVER-filled our current inmate population is with people who may or may not actually deserve to be there.

[mokaloka99]

The majority of the people in jail belong there. Some are mistakes but you have to break a few eggs…

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

I did say “Depending on the severity of the prison and person” meaning if it is a lighter crime than you obviously dont need as harsh of restrictions.

Regardless, if you are in maximum security prison, you should be locked down, isolated and not get 1 damn thing more than 1 shower a week and 2 meals a day.

“You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.”

No, our system is screwed up because of pansies like you protecting criminals and wanting the world to cry for them, thinking they have rights. They get to appeal 19 times, pleas of insanity, guard brutality, etc.

“So, what you’re saying is you want to spend more money to put everyone in a Max Security prison when we’re already over populated using medium and minimum security prisons…interesting, because that will save the tax payers money”

Actually once this was in place we would SAVE money. No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

[Professor_X]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
The majority of the people in jail belong there. Some are mistakes but you have to break a few eggs…

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

I did say “Depending on the severity of the prison and person” meaning if it is a lighter crime than you obviously dont need as harsh of restrictions.

Regardless, if you are in maximum security prison, you should be locked down, isolated and not get 1 damn thing more than 1 shower a week and 2 meals a day.

“You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.”

No, our system is screwed up because of pansies like you protecting criminals and wanting the world to cry for them, thinking they have rights. They get to appeal 19 times, pleas of insanity, guard brutality, etc.

“So, what you’re saying is you want to spend more money to put everyone in a Max Security prison when we’re already over populated using medium and minimum security prisons…interesting, because that will save the tax payers money”

Actually once this was in place we would SAVE money. No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

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You’re an idiot. Last I checked, there had been over 200 people released from jail due to being imprisoned falsely (many for several years on death row) due to current DNA testing.

What happens to people after they get released if they spend several years with no education, no hint of the outside world, and being treated less than dogs?

I am sure society would do just fine in “your world”.

[mokaloka99]

and another thing, eventually the word will spread that prison is fucking brutal. You think it is brutal now? Wait until you have to sit in your cell 23:30 hours a day for YEARS, no contact with anyone. People would rather die than face that. It will crack the most hardened criminal. It wont stop criminal activity but in the long run it would help lower it. The more harsh the consequences the less amount of people are willing to break the rules.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
and another thing, eventually the word will spread that prison is fucking brutal. You think it is brutal now? Wait until you have to sit in your cell 23:30 hours a day for YEARS, no contact with anyone. People would rather die than face that. It will crack the most hardened criminal. It wont stop criminal activity but in the long run it would help lower it. The more harsh the consequences the less amount of people are willing to break the rules.

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No, it will make people go insane…because that’s what makes a healthy society…insane people.

[mokaloka99]

ok lets continue living in your world then. Where we have broken jail systems and dont want to improve them by cracking down on inmates more because we are worried about the 200 people falsely imprisoned over years. That makes no sense. If you are so concerned about those 200 people then you need should strive for changes in our judicial system not out our prisons.

Prisons are day camps for these hard core felons. They may scare the shit out of your whitebread white collar worker but not the average thug from the hood that has 12 cousins in the same fucking prison.

[Professor_X]

I guess here is another “egg that must be broken”. God forbid we acknowledge the imperfections of our own system and try to fix it. The self righteous won’t allow it.

[DJHT]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
and another thing, eventually the word will spread that prison is fucking brutal. You think it is brutal now? Wait until you have to sit in your cell 23:30 hours a day for YEARS, no contact with anyone. People would rather die than face that. It will crack the most hardened criminal. It wont stop criminal activity but in the long run it would help lower it. The more harsh the consequences the less amount of people are willing to break the rules.

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By this argument would be cheaper just to shot them in the head with a .22. What cost about 30 cents?

[anonym]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
and another thing, eventually the word will spread that prison is fucking brutal. You think it is brutal now? Wait until you have to sit in your cell 23:30 hours a day for YEARS, no contact with anyone. People would rather die than face that. It will crack the most hardened criminal. It wont stop criminal activity but in the long run it would help lower it. The more harsh the consequences the less amount of people are willing to break the rules.[/quote]

OR it would encourage these people to take more brutal measures on the outside to prevent themselves from getting caught.

There are people on the outside right now committing crimes but operating under the mentality that there is no fucking way they are going back to jail… while still doing the same shit that got them locked up in the first place.

This is not something you have done any research on, is it?

Again, it has been demonstrated time and time again that focusing on punishment rather than rehabilitation is a piss poor way to prevent these people from a life of crime when they get out. In many instances, it can INCREASE the odds that they will, since would then also have a felony conviction under their belt.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
The majority of the people in jail belong there. Some are mistakes but you have to break a few eggs…
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Most three strikers are in jail for stuff like drug possession, non-payment, and minor shoplifting, these are poor people…because I’m sure smoking weed, non-payment of child support because you don’t got no money and shop lifting because your hungry is really a reason to be in jail, and a large population of prison system is drug possession.

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

I did say “Depending on the severity of the prison and person” meaning if it is a lighter crime than you obviously dont need as harsh of restrictions.

Regardless, if you are in maximum security prison, you should be locked down, isolated and not get 1 damn thing more than 1 shower a week and 2 meals a day.

“You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.”

No, our system is screwed up because of pansies like you protecting criminals and wanting the world to cry for them, thinking they have rights. They get to appeal 19 times, pleas of insanity, guard brutality, etc.

“So, what you’re saying is you want to spend more money to put everyone in a Max Security prison when we’re already over populated using medium and minimum security prisons…interesting, because that will save the tax payers money”

Actually once this was in place we would SAVE money. No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

First off you can’t stop someone from making a phone call and you can stop someone’s family from visiting them.

And, not sure you ever passed elementary mathematics if we release 1 or 2 at a time, it takes about an hour to get to the yard and back to the cell, so you’d have a total of 31 prisoners allowed out. What fucking jail do you know that has only 31 prisoners?

[Professor_X]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
ok lets continue living in your world then. Where we have broken jail systems and dont want to improve them by cracking down on inmates more because we are worried about the 200 people falsely imprisoned over years. That makes no sense. If you are so concerned about those 200 people then you need should strive for changes in our judicial system not out our prisons.

Prisons are day camps for these hard core felons. They may scare the shit out of your whitebread white collar worker but not the average thug from the hood that has 12 cousins in the same fucking prison.

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Genius, without allowing all of those appeals you are against, none of those 200 people would have been retried or found not guilty. That is why you don’t just focus on the judicial system when the fuck ups of that system are now in jail.

How fucking old are you?

[DJHT]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
The majority of the people in jail belong there. Some are mistakes but you have to break a few eggs…

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

I did say “Depending on the severity of the prison and person” meaning if it is a lighter crime than you obviously dont need as harsh of restrictions.

Regardless, if you are in maximum security prison, you should be locked down, isolated and not get 1 damn thing more than 1 shower a week and 2 meals a day.

“You sound like someone mostly clueless about how screwed up and often wrong our own judicial system is.”

No, our system is screwed up because of pansies like you protecting criminals and wanting the world to cry for them, thinking they have rights. They get to appeal 19 times, pleas of insanity, guard brutality, etc.

“So, what you’re saying is you want to spend more money to put everyone in a Max Security prison when we’re already over populated using medium and minimum security prisons…interesting, because that will save the tax payers money”

Actually once this was in place we would SAVE money. No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

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First off you can’t stop someone from making a phone call and you can stop someone’s family from visiting them.

And, not sure you ever passed elementary mathematics if we release 1 or 2 at a time, it takes about an hour to get to the yard and back to the cell, so you’d have a total of 31 prisoners allowed out. What fucking jail do you know that has only 31 prisoners?[/quote]

LOL Chris you crack me up more and more. Next will be the island argument and let them fend for themselves.

[mokaloka99]

last time i checked people dont get to be released from prison back into society without any supervision.

Is that all you guys have? What about what happens when they try and rejoin society? Well they can rejoin it or break the law again and A) go into a mental institution, or B) go back to jail. I believe that faced with that reality, they will sober right the hell up and not want to go back to jail. In fact in my “perfect world” if you are convicted of RAPE, Murder, or 3 felonies, you never get the chance of parole. 1st degree murders are always sentenced to death.

What is the crime rate in some of those hard core asian countries where they chop off your hand for theft and lock you up for 20 years for any drug related offense? I guarantee you that percentage wise by population, it is a lot lower there.

[lewhitehurst]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

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If you actually contributed to this board or actually read what we post, you would see that the majority of us are FAR from liberal. It’s called wisdom, experience and common sense. Most of us used to think and say the things you did when we were about 12 years old, but we all eventually grew up. And to make suppositions on someone’s supposed political views is a weak argument. Come back when you have more to base your arguments on than emotions.

[roybot]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

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Great idea Judge Dredd, but why stop there? If we put them on a remote island with no means of escape, we won’t need guards at all, especially if we fit them with some of those exploding neck-cuffs.

Or we can inject time-sensitive explosive nano probes into their bloodstreams… A giant robotic guard dog would be good. And when space travel is suffiently advanced, we can put them on a space prison and float them into oblivion.

No Escape, 1994 trailer

Fuck it, let’s just shoot them all now and get it over with.

[DJHT]

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

All of you are liberals or have “Buddies” that use to be in jail so i wouldnt expect anything less than the weak arguments you are presenting.

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If you actually contributed to this board or actually read what we post, you would see that the majority of us are FAR from liberal. It’s called wisdom, experience and common sense. Most of us used to think and say the things you did when we were about 12 years old, but we all eventually grew up. And to make suppositions on someone’s supposed political views is a weak argument. Come back when you have more to base your arguments on than emotions.

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Lew nice try but you know this never works.

[mokaloka99]

"First off you can’t stop someone from making a phone call and you can stop someone’s family from visiting them.

And, not sure you ever passed elementary mathematics if we release 1 or 2 at a time, it takes about an hour to get to the yard and back to the cell, so you’d have a total of 31 prisoners allowed out. What fucking jail do you know that has only 31 prisoners?"

Um yes you can moron. They are prisoners, they dont have any rights. The prisons have every right to restrict the prisoners. You cant restrict outside free people but they cant talk to someone if someone doesnt answer the phone, they cant visit anyone if not allowed on the property.

What jails have you been to? Im curious, where did you get that number from, 1 HR to get to the yard and back? Did your elementary school teach you how to pull numbers out of your ass? If so, you def aced that class. I have no clue what the layout of prisons are. Im not going to sit here and argue logistics with you. How pointless an argument you are trying to make? Im laying down the laws and the system can be figured out at a later point when they actually implement them.

[DJHT]

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

No more technology in prison, no education or continuing educations, no visitations, meals cut to 2 times a day, showers cut to once a week. No paying the criminals for their labors. You wouldnt have to have as many guards if everyone was in isolation. You wouldnt be letting them all out at once. Just 1 or 2 at a time and guarded until put back in the cell. Rinse and repeat all day until everyone had their 30 min or their shower.

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Great idea Judge Dredd, but why stop there? If we put them on a remote island with no means of escape, we won’t need guards at all, especially if we fit them with some of those exploding neck-cuffs.

Or we can inject time-sensitive explosive nano probes into their bloodstreams… A giant robotic guard dog would be good. And when space travel is suffiently advanced, we can put them on a space prison and float them into oblivion.

Fuck it, let’s just shoot them all now and get it over with.[/quote]

Roy get with the reading man I already said shot them and the island idea. Damn was it the fact I cant do youtube at work? Is that more eye catching.

[roybot]

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
The majority of the people in jail belong there. Some are mistakes but you have to break a few eggs…

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Being one of those “eggs” would make you change your tune pretty quickly, but I wouldn’t wish that position on anyone.