You don’t rely on other people? Where does the money you earn come from? You don’t live in some remote area, far from civilization.
I don’t even know what that means.
Not for those reasons you gave. I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth; I’m first generation. As far as you doing it all on your own, your parents didn’t raise you? You were abandoned in the woods and miraculously found some boots?
The ideal society is comprised of independent families who excel at interdependence with their community.
I think he’s creating his own narrative where hearing someone say that kids should be rescued from abusive and neglectful parents means they believe kids should be taken away based on some whim. I would have thought that it didn’t need to be said we are talking about extreme situations.
Of course. A community where the adults look out for all kids. When I would see reruns of Andy Griffith as a kid, I thought it was the gayest show ever. Years later, as a parent, I watched it and realized Griffith was onto something. But America is continuing to head into the abyss of antisocial behaviors.
This isn’t @Njord’s narrative, its factual.
Children DO get taken from good parents.
The same laws that allow this also allow for children to remain with neglectful and harmful parents.
Because governance is extremely hard in these circumstances.
In my opinion, the worst miscarriage of justice is to punish the innocent. And this happens all too often.
While it’s bad when existing laws cannot protect the innocent, it is always preferable to laws that punish and are weaponized against the innocent.
If you’re okay with a stranger being legally allowed to take away your children based on claims without factual backing - then so be it.
I have enough ammunition to prevent such things from happening to me and my family.
If by ammunition you mean ammo for firearms, just hope that you are not faced with the Department of Children and Families coming to remove a child from your house, because you will be faced with some life changing decisions that you will be forced to make.
If you refuse the DCF officials, they will not leave but will call the police. I believe two police cars showed up at my house. Here is your second opportunity to comply or stand your ground. I decided to concede. You might choose to stand your ground. I just can’t see that shooting one or all of the police there will result in a good outcome for your family. I can visualize SWAT being called and you making the National news.
That is utterly irrelevant to what I was talking about.
We agree.
I volunteered for CASA for a while and can tell some stories. Very fucked up stories of overreach.
I am also involved with BACA and have seen both sides considering.
Having seen both, you would have to prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt legit abuse is happening before ripping a kid from family.
It’s not even worth arguing imo.
It’s definitely not something to be taken lightly. But if abuse/neglect is proven, then that shouldn’t be taken lightly either.
I give parental rights wide berth, as it should have, but when a parents inability to care for their child for what ever reason becomes clear and proven, its equally incontrovertable that the child should be placed where it can have a better chance at life.
Me too, buddy
Ehh…maybe. I think all three were due to something else. What that something is, I’m not sure. Trump just doesn’t seem radical or different enough to warrant all that has been done, but I also have a hard time believing “they” have so convincingly and violently stood against him. Back in 2020, I thought “they” were afraid the public had learned its power during the 2016 election.
But in the end of your scenario, your kid still gets taken away and now their dad is probably dead on top of things. Is that a good outcome?
Is my daughter having a non-zero chance of being caught up in a cash for kids scenario a good outcome?
We’re talking hypotheticals here, but there are precisely 2 people on this planet I’m willing to die for, and one of them is hypothetically being taken away by strangers working for a corporation i dont trust - for illegitimate reasons.
Dont push people into unreasonable positions if you dont want unreasonable reactions.
Rarely.
Give some real world examples.
What if you were an abusive parent? Think of the things you would never do to your child and imagine you did them. Should your child be taken from you?
I agree. I have been adjacent to DCF for years and have never seen overreach. Where they have erred - and this happens all the time - it is in under-reaction to multiple reports from mandated reporters. The school has called, my organization has called, docs have called, and there we all are, anguishing over a child who needs and deserves better but “unsubstantiated.”
Yeah. My therapist said the same thing.
I’ve always had this fear of being taken away, because my dad used to use it as a threat, which motivated us to hide the abuse and neglect we were subject to. And by extension, a huge fear of my son being taken.
So naturally (or not) when I came home one day from work and kiddo from daycare, to a catfight between the bad neighbor woman on the one side of my house- and a CYF worker, I was thrown for a loop. The neighbor was drunk as fuck and fighting, and the CYF worker was scrambling to get a 3 & 5 year old into her vehicle.
Then came the story. Her boyfriends ex was just being spiteful, the school counselor just doesn’t like her, “Sure, I was drunk, but I’m really trying…”. The bullshit never ended with them. Living in filth, selling dope out the back door, police and ambulance there 2x per week.
Never because they were a bunch of abject fuck ups though.
No but in one, you’re alive to fight your case and try to win her back. In yours, you’re dead and labeled as a nut job with a stockpile of bullets who thought he was going to somehow fight his way out of this one and then…be left alone?
The problem is that there aren’t many places they can take these kids. It’s not like there is a long waiting list of foster parents. It really is a last resort to remove kids and unless there is evidence of the kids being in immediate danger, you need to go through the courts, so it isn’t up to the whim of a social worker to remove kids. And in most cases, they try to place kids with family whenever possible. The idea that dcf, dyfs, cps or whoever, is randomly snatching up kids from good homes has no basis in reality. A false allegation is not enough. And a lot of false allegations come from the kids.
Joe Greenstein came from loving parents but the doctors told him, he won’t live to see age 18.
So what did Joe do, he ran away from home by sneaking on the train with the circus and consulted the circus strongman who showed him how to live, in which he lived into his 80s.
Would gubmit support such a thing? I doubt it.