Would you, if you didnt know if you’d have support of like-minded folk?
You don’t need to answer, it’s just my point. I was waiting for people to snap last time so i could join up. No point ever did, and neither did I.
To be comparable to the parent sitting in the hot car with the child, the parent would need to also be living in those conditions. If you’re living in and eating shit, you are almost certainly mentally incompetent to care for yourself and/or others. We are not, I trust, talking about a pile or two of dog crap on the floor at night from the morning. That’s obviously pretty gross and not ideal, but I wouldn’t call the person mentally deficient for it.
Am I the only one who wishes we’d institute a lockdown annually, because it was such a nice breather? Only in my mental health lockdown fantasy, we include the grocery store and gas station people. Medical “essential workers” could be thin because we’re all at home, and maybe get the following week off. Everyone is warned well ahead of time that it’s “almost Locktober!” and so get the stuff you need or do without.
I struggled with the lockdown for many reasons, but it also brought many positives for a vast number of people. As many people had life changing positive experiences re: home, family, health, and work as suffered mental health issues. So I’m envisioning a comprehensive snow day-ish thing. Have some hot chocolate and be cozy!
So when I’m finally allowed to rule the world, get your guns ready for the big Go Out Anyway. My police and military won’t GAS because they’ll be home doing cozy things.
On a more serious note, @RT_Nomad’s child should absolutely be removed. Kids in all but the most abusive foster homes welcome removal from parents at this level of chaos. The children are generally parentified and have been trying to manage the parent to keep things together, which of course they are unable to do. Abuse is shockingly likely when moms are bringing in strange men, who are typically exploitive even if only because of their own mental illnesses and addictions.
We have, as a society, a responsibility to care for these kids. Animals do it! We should meet that bar. There should also be places for the pervasively mentally ill to stay (we used to call them state hospitals) while they reorganize themselves around meds and whatever. They don’t need to be locked up forever, but there should be a place to reorganize, which is what they need.
Njord, in these recent conversations you have been striking me as naive and sheltered. As if you have no idea what goes on outside of the educated, affluent suburbs you inhabit, and are clapping your hands over your ears so you don’t have to hear about the complexity of it all.
I think there would be more of a quiet resistance than an outright confrontation.
To the like minded point, responses were different regionally.
Just speaking from personal observation, but Texas responded the same as everyone initially, then started easing off the shutdown initiatives early. At least unofficially.
Not true for some of the major urban areas, but largely across the state non essential business started opening, people began visiting and nobody did anything about it.
Occasionally business owners would enforce masks and various distancing protocols in their private businesses, but by and large everyone just ignored directives.
And I’m pretty sure this is what would happen on a broader scale.
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Animals also cull the weak members from their groups.
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Luigi Mangione snapped because of his life circumstances, and committed a murder. He thought it was morally justified given what he believed health insurance companies were doing to people. What makes you think that you wouldn’t have Luigi Mangiones doing the same thing for the same reason if lockdowns occurred again?
I expect to see assassinations or attempts at it. If people band together, there might be rioting. An attempted overthrow of the government is unlikely because that requires a specific set of social and political conditions that the United States does not meet at the moment.
It really was in a lot of ways. I hate being corralled and crowded at check out lines. The social distancing thing was great in that regard, and has somewhat stuck to this day. And for people that do crowd and seem pushy its perfectly ok now to tell them to step back.
The police were almost completely hands off too. Like, I don’t know what you’d have to do to get pulled over. I didn’t have to get inspection or registration, and no more end of month quota stops or late night dui check ups where they pretent you did something on the good chance that you’re drunk, and might as well run for warrants to “cuz you look familiar…”.
For a while I was just rolling down the window and they do the “you know why I pulled you over?” spiel and I’d say “because I’m 18 years sober and don’t have any warrants???”. 
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So that was nice.
But yeah, “oh its a police state! Oh, my freedumb!”.
People don’t want freedom. They just want to be irresponsible.
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You didnt actually give an answer to whether or not you’d pick up your guns and fight the tyrannical state, lol. I guess i gave you that out, but surely you realize everything you’ve said is straight speculation.
Is expect interchangeable with “would like” in this sentence?
I want to go down to the hardware store and rage at the guy I’ve been dealing with for 30 years.
A guy did that last time and as he stormed off and stomped on the gas I thought to myself “Yeah! That guy just became the rock when hardware store guy was aready backed into a hard place! Ain’t nobody making that guy do shit!”.
I’m going to tell you something that will be hard for your brain to understand. Regardless of how much control you think you have over your life and your destiny the truth is, we are all subject to circumstances beyond our control. If you found yourself broke, an addict, out of your mind, living in filth, and you were happy with your child living under those same conditions and wouldn’t want him or her to get out and have a chance at a better future, then you would be a horrible parent. And if you aren’t a horrible parent, you’d be grateful for having comrades who were willing to provide for your child what you couldn’t. But you are a Rand cult member so reality isn’t your forte.
“Expect” is definitely not interchangeable with “would like”. I don’t want it to happen, and don’t fantasize about such things. It’s pathetic to in any case. However, I believe both the George Floyd riots and January 6 were indirectly caused by the lockdowns, January 6 more directly so. The anger that had built up over the course of 2020 exploded at the Capitol Building on that day. Regarding the Floyd riots, some speculated at the time that they were in part due to the psychological effects of the lockdowns. They were a release of the tension that being forced to stay in one’s house for months at a time, which is why they were some of the most violent riots we’ve seen recently. People even established their own breakaway state in Seattle. I think the argument has merit.
It stands to reason that what happened the first time would happen again the second time, and likely to a greater degree.
You do know there were riots based on racial issues prior to Floyd, prior to this century even.
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I answered your question when I said the United States is not in a social or political position for an overthrow of the governent to be possible. What I would do in such a case becomes irrelevant because I do not believe it is likely. I was not talking about an overthrow of the government, I was talking about assassination attempts and rioting.
Of course I know that. And there have been large race riots before as well. That doesn’t change the substance of my post.
For what its worth, i hope you’re right.
I’ll start stockpiling bricks
It does. All that is needed for a riot, is someone to start it.
My point is the underlying cause of the riots. Both January 6 and the George Floyd riots were partially because of the lockdowns. Both had other, more immediate causes, but at least I am convinced that the lockdowns were a psychological stressor that underlay both. If lockdowns happen again, the same problems will reoccur, causing similar violent events to take place and probably more.
I’m really not, though. I think I read half of Atlas Shrugged 15 years ago and got bored. Maybe I got through the whole thing. One and done if so. You’re going to have to find another go-to for an immediate write-off.
I know it’s hard for your brain to understand, as you’ve articulated, but people can come to a preference for self-reliance and self interest vs communal interests and shared resources via free thought.
As an interesting observation, you chose a very systematic life and career. One that I’m sure is fulfilling for you, and I sincerely think that’s great. But, it’s a career built on community funding, includes massive amounts of oversight and so on. It’s how you are. And that’s ok.
I started a business. Boot strapped it. No partners, no investors, no loans. Spent years hand to mouth, reinvested and put myself in a position to “break through” or totally lose my ass. Full on risk with no walls. Because that’s how I like it. I haven’t lost my ass yet.
So we will see things differently.
And I see more than one way to skin a cat. Life doesn’t have a syllabus. While I can agree there are some scenarios where intervention makes sense, they would have to be incredibly drastic in the event of taking a child from a parent. More drastic than your tolerances, I’m sure.
I would literally kill to avoid having my kid taken from me. Granted it would be a bigger fight than I could win, but still. That’s the sentiment. You do you, but breaking up families isn’t something to be proud of.
I suppose a definition of “family” is in order.
They were allowed to happen in spite of any lockdowns.