I canāt believe you did, and in such a short time. I was trying to spot what was wrong with the tweet but I couldnāt. I canāt even believe I had that exchange in that religious thread where I had to convince people my IQ was much lower than they thought it was and point out the irony that IRL I do everything I can to convince clients itās much higher.
See? Iām dumb as fuck.
I guess this is why I loved the later seasons of Sherlock and @loppar didnāt.
Hey, but Mrs Hudson driving the Aston Martin. Come on, that was comedic gold.
VAERS does exist, they compile adverse effects/death post vaccine (whether theyāre related to the vaccine or not) then they compare and contrast the rate of SAEās associated with a given vaccine vs other vaccines.
If anything sticks out, various corporations are notified and a product will likely be pulled off the market as a result.
If kids were really dropping dead by the thousands, medical professionals wouldnāt accept it. My family is filled with doctors, pharmacists, scientists, people who were involved in the manufacturing of covid vaccinesā¦
If there was a conspiracy regarding the vaccines; or if they were particularly dangerous I believe Iād know about it and/or at the very least have been told ādonāt take themā.
You are aware youāre quoting a notorious anti vaxxer who has been called out like 1,000 times for making misleading or outright false statements over vaccines.
ā¦ And heās an entrepreneur, peddling āalternative curesā for covid-19, Iām sure he has no ulterior motive at hand over hereā¦
Is that all youāve got? Name calling and wild accusations? Whose peddling what?
Can you refute the analysis by the expert published in the article?
Can you present any data/research that injecting kids with mRNA vaccines prevents the illness, prevents transmission, prevents hospitalization or deathsā¦or is safe?
Name calling? Give me ONCE instance wherein Iāve used an ad hominem attackā¦
I canātā¦ not directly at least. I can link mortality statistics/rates of SAE from vaccine relative to covid stats in kids. āNot deadā doesnāt mean fineā¦ Clinics for kids afflicted by long covid have popped up all over the UK. Plenty of kids are obese, have predispositions that otherwise make them a prime target for developing long covid/requiring hospitalisation.
Vaccines reduce the rate of transmission by around 30-40%. Itās not substantial, but itās something. Kids are unlikely to get sick, but the elderly people they may pass it onto are. A triple vaccinated elderly individual is still far, far, FAR more likely to die relative to a kid.
In terms of direct risk/cost analysis, a kid is more likely to experience a serious SAE from a vaccine (around 1/30,000) relative to the risk of death from covid. With hospitalisation however the odds stack in favour of the vaccine. I believe the hospitalisation rate for kids is around 0.2-0.4%, this is equitable to influenzaā¦ I believe most kids take the flu shot.
However the long standing neurological aberrations elicited in some (termed long covid) is typically associated with more severe illness. Itās not common however, esp in kids; but it does happen.
I didnāt actually bother to read the article after I saw it was published from the same guy that made the widely debunked claim "vaccines cause infertilityā'; but I will at some point; and Iāll give you an analysis. Because it is possible the guy has a few solid points.
The kids/vaccination argument is borderlineā¦ Iām not opposed to it in the instance epidemiological modelling is indicative vaccinating kids = substantially less burden on hospitalsā¦ If the data doesnāt back this, then Iām not for it. If youāve got a kid who has a job (and the elderly attend the venues) , Iād say "get vaccinated, unless youāve recovered from covid in the past 6-12 months).
Iām not using wild accusations over this guy eitherā¦ Just type his name into Google and there is a plethora of articles from some corporations/outlets held high regard āinb4, itās a left wing conspiracy!ā That cover the BS this guy touts, how he markets alternate covid cures.
The guy is an entrepreneur, and I believe he is trying to make money by peddling bullshit.
One can enter 90% of the data youāve posted on here into fact check and the claims come up as verifiably false.
Other times we have amateur scientists (not directing this at you) posting up various studies and taking them out of context.
Iām not interested in a flat out argument hereā¦ Though I would be interested in discussing this more with you and @ins
As specified prior, a logical middle ground probably resides somewhere in between where we stand.
I am flat out against vaccinating anyone under 40, unless they have conditions.
See the data shows that even for elderly the vaccines working have a āplaceboā effect. Most elderly who vaccinate are already people taking care for their health. So in general they are people lesa likely to die from Covid, due to their personal health care.
Here is a food for though. We should have health and immune system testing. We should know every single persons health and immune system status and their doctors should be making recommendations based on that.
Vaccines should be a personal choice. Period. Of loppar decides to get 3 shots and vaccinate his children, good for him. But I dont think people on a body building forum should vaccinate. We are in general healthy people.
But hospitals are overwhelmed. I dont care. There is a solutiom for that. If I am already paying for vaccines, I have no problems to pay for more people working in hospitals and some renovations. There are solutions for that. Take students to work in hospitals, take volunteers to work as nurces or and cleaners. Offer good salaries. Seriously if the pay is good, I have no problems to go and clean peoples asses on Saturdays and Sundays. Or taking some 4 hour shifts after work. Sure I am not a medical person. But at least I will be there cleaning and conforting hospitalized people.
See to me vaccine mandates are an easy solutions for the governments. That is really the easiest solution for them to take control of the pandemic.
Here is an anecdotal experience. I got Covid in my work place. I was social distancing, not going to bars and other high risk places. Me getting Covid would have been easily stopped from inforcing all working places that can work online to do so. However it is crystal clear that although our government published such a restriction, they were unable to enforce it. So companies who decided not to follow could do just that.
My fiance has cousins and their children are not going to school now. Because her cousins do not like the new tests in schools. They are discriminating children on spitting and non spitting. The younger child is a first grader and already experiencing discrimination and that school is not a friendly place. Sure her parents are idiots, but this should not happen. I am really worried for children. They are the most suffering from this pandemic. Its a tragedy.
Thereās a pharma section on this forumā¦ Many of us arenāt healthy in the slightestā¦ Actually my health isnāt too bad, Iām like a 5-6/10 for my age. Very fit, but also heavily injured and have a broken, malfunctioning body .
Looking healthy doesnāt equate to being healthy.
Thereās actually preliminary data suggesting covid + steroid use = unusually severe sickness.
They have known way before 6 months ago. I posted the medical journal article where it was found Pfizer was under reporting side effects, among other things. People who had adverse reactions or caught Covid after the first dose were dropped from the trials, making the results look better.
You find no issue with the fact that those having the heart issues are the ones who would most likely show the effects of a mild cold?
Also to keep it out of the Biden thread:
I find it funny that it went from get the vaccine and you will have complete immunity, life will go back to normal, no more masks, to the vaccines MAY help hospitals not get overwhelmed. Was that not what 2 weeks to flatten the curve was for.
What? This was never the narrativeā¦ Or perhaps it was in the USā¦ I donāt know, but I donāt think it was.
In Aus/Europe the narrative was āwith delta the vaccines arenāt as effective, but they still provide substantial protection against hospitalisation and deathā.
All I can gather is that The Rona is far too powerful to defeat, so we may as well give up and enjoy what little bit of life we have left in this world.
Considering the prevalence of SERIOUS heart issues is lower than 1/100,000 noā¦ I have no qualms. Iāve specified anecdotally I know people who are fairly involved with this.
Based on this + the compiled body of data Iāve read Iām fairly confident in stating āthese vaccines arenāt particularly riskyā.
Do I think kids need to take the shot? I donāt think anyone āneedsā to take the shot if they donāt want toā¦ I donāt like mandates.
Do I think the benefit/risk assessment justifies giving kids these vaccines? Too early to tell, at this point in time Iād say ādepends on the kidā. A kid is more likely to be hospitalised from covid relative to the risk of developing heart issues, but theyāre more likely to develop myocarditis/TTS relative to dying from covidā¦ Soā¦ It depends on the kid
If youāve got a kid with severe asthma, an obese kid, a kid with a serious haematological disorder youād be an absolute idiot to avoid vaccinating that kid.
There is a world beyond the USA. After Trump lost for the most part I tuned out of politics/the situation unfolding in the USA.
I didnāt like Donald Trumpā¦ But he was very entertaining. Without him itās boring again.
Iām not hopping on the anti Fauci bandwagon with you. That man has accomplished 100x more than you or I will ever accomplish within our lifetimes.
Mad respect for his conduct when AIDS became an epidemic.
In AUSTRALIA I happen to find it very odd many of those who are against vaccines tend to also be the types who are fine with using unregulated illicit substances.
āI wonāt take that! I donāt know what Iām putting in my body!!!ā
But youāll slam lines of god knows what chopped up on your phone propped up on the back of a nightclub toilet??? Okā¦ Except thatās FAR more likely to kill you relative to a vaccine.
Iām sure those against vaccines come in all types, but from my demographic it appears to these subtypesā¦
Against vaccinesā¦ But youāll take untested anabolic steroids synthesised in some guys basement? It just doesnāt compute with me
You flat out called the author an āantivaxxerā and claimed he was āpeddlingā products.
That is a perjorative term that those who donāt like people who think for themselves, review the science (or lack of) and make an independent decision not to take a shot use to disparage someone who does not share their pro-vax viewpoint. Chosing not to VAX comes from an informed consent and having medical freedom of choice. There is no need to name call anyone an āanti-vaxxer.ā There are plenty of pro-Vaxxers who have looked as this shot and saidā¦ānot for me or my family.ā
What products is the author (or the PhD who did the analysis) peddling as you claim?
Yawnā¦Itās fake. Everything you and your fellow anti vaxxers post is fake. It can easily be debunked in 4 seconds it took me to bring up the actual EudraVigilance report.
But none of you are interested in facts, youāre true believers and refutation of obvious falsehoods only strengthens your irrational conviction.
