Countering Decades Of Propaganda

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]vroom wrote:
Danny,

If you can’t be bothered to figure out a decent way of quoting I can’t be bothered to pick through your huge pile of drivel to counterpoint your junk. Maybe someone else will feel like it.[/quote]

I didn’t think standard inverted commas was fine, okay, ever so sorry i wonly wrote in one colour.

[quote]
You may also want to try to address one person at a time, so that you aren’t blaming me for the statements of another or assuming I agree with the statements of another.[/quote]

Ok that’s what i’m on now. I’m not like that, i was meticulous when replying to have two windows open, one of my reply and one of your initial statement. If you feel tarred with another brush, so sad. So do I.

[quote]
Stop telling us how big your Internet penis is as well, we don’t care about your qualifications, your life experience, or whatever else you wish to brag about, your words will stand or more apparently fall on their own.[/quote]

Yeah I ain’t got an internet penis, got a real one though, but it never really gets involved in israel/lebanon, or the internet (except maybe busty.pl haha)

My words stand as ever, and I by them. I don’t regret writing any of it, i just feel disappointed you don’t understand what i was saying (you don’t). My words are against the consensus of opinion here, this is why i’ve met opposition and derision, not because i’m mistaken (I’ll leave judgement to my peers) The only thing you may legitimately criticise until you earn it is my physique, and you’ve never seen that. You don’t care about me, I don’t care about you, no surprise, no bragging either, i just wanted you patronising older men off my fucking back! Older=closer to death. Little else is guaranteed. Bye Vroom

Ok thanks doog i was manually cutting and pasting, cheers for the heads-up.

You said i can’t speak as well as a Mexican immigrant to the USA. Even if i wasn’t at the level i am i’d be insulted, so i just flexed my brain a bit. You definitely don’t need them to speak, but you do to teach. Fuck it anyway it doesn’t matter what you think does it?

No doubt hydrogen is volatile, that’s why it’s an alternative. i don’t suggest flying in balloons instead of driving cars ;). I just think if the elite of the elite of the world din’t get paid a fuckload (including hyoooge taxes to governments) then we’d be on some intensive study-mission about other energies. But maybe i’m wrong.

I wouldn’t recycle dead people for fuel. I’m not religious but that’s someones family… If you’re exaggerating, cool.

My family’s best interests have nothing to do with oil. They are far more affected by what rich, patronisisng Americans do to proliferate wars, as if they were the only country/people in the world who matter, while bringing my brothers and sisters into it. I don’t know what you were doing in iraq (your elite/government) but my sister’s husband got shot up, just because he was under contract to fix fucking aeroplanes. He didn’t want any fucking war, but just cos my PM is a pussy to your president’s dick (seen Team America?) that is what happened.

Seriously, if you live by the sword that’s what you die by. Know that one?

You’ll never get your hands on Russian/chinese oil. They are speeding up (especially the Chinese) and both of these cultures are full of resentment at the selfish war-mongering, arrogant empire-building and hegemonic truth-hiding that everyday becomes more and more clear to the observer.

I guess now this thread will be a bunch of guys talking about how many ‘stinking arab bastards’ died that day, or something. I’m out

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Well, I’m not going down the mud-slinging path, but this thread reminded me of something a very good psychologist friend of mine once said, that I’d like to share:

The key to diplomacy, and specifically to resolving conflict, is not paying attention to what the other thinks, but rather to what the other needs.[/quote]

Sorry, hspder - but diplomacy has failed miserably over the past 30+ years. It is time for more than that.

[quote]So, what does the Islamic world need? And, whatever it is, who can give it to them? Can we (the USA), or Europe?

Answer those questions and you will have the solution. It’s as simple as that.[/quote]

Well - over the past 30 years they have needed The West Bank, Gaza, and now it seems that Syria “needs” the Golan Heights.

Dude - the conflict has been going on since at least 1967 and the 6 day war. SOme of the greates diplomats the world has known have tried, and failed, to broker peace in that region. And you think we need to try and talk some more?

War is the last and only resort in this region.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
My words stand as ever, and I by them. I don’t regret writing any of it, i just feel disappointed you don’t understand what i was saying (you don’t). My words are against the consensus of opinion here, this is why i’ve met opposition and derision, not because i’m mistaken (I’ll leave judgement to my peers) The only thing you may legitimately criticise…[/quote]

Kudo’s on learning how to quote something and/or leave space between the original and your lame reply.

Jeers for acting all high and mighty like I don’t understand you and that I cannot legitimately criticize your judgment.

How about you detail what you think I don’t understand? Do you think I don’t understand the way you view the situation? That is very different than not agreeing with it.

LOL, while I don’t exactly agree with or believe what Doogie was saying, you are disconnected from reality. The propaganda out there will certainly suggest the above, but the US is very easy to get along with.

It isn’t profiting at the expense of the Middle East, it is the leaders of the Middle Eastern countries that are not appropriately sharing the wealth that they have been paid.

Regardless of the rhetoric, yours or Doogies, oil will continue to be sold on the markets, bringing huge sums of money to the Middle East. Silly threats about “one way or the other” and silly claims of “profits at the expense of others” in this regard are both out of touch.

The entire world is paying vast sums of money to the Middle East. Where has it gone? Answer that question and you might have an answer as to what the Arab community should be angry about!

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Well, I’m not going down the mud-slinging path, but this thread reminded me of something a very good psychologist friend of mine once said, that I’d like to share:

The key to diplomacy, and specifically to resolving conflict, is not paying attention to what the other thinks, but rather to what the other needs.

So, what does the Islamic world need? And, whatever it is, who can give it to them? Can we (the USA), or Europe?

Answer those questions and you will have the solution. It’s as simple as that.[/quote]

It’s been said before in other threads, but they desparately need a higher standard living and a decent, formal, secular education system.

For instance, if Iraq ever gets to an acceptable level of stablility, it would be a wonderful idea to give incentives to US business to deal with Iraqi factories, outsourcing etc.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
(I’ll leave judgement to my peers) The only thing you may legitimately criticise…

Kudo’s on learning how to quote something and/or leave space between the original and your lame reply.[/quote]

You must be so proud now… You repeatedly (yes, you, among others) said i was ‘justifying’ terrorism. Do you know what that means? Yeah? Everytime i EXPLAINED some shit (cf.- every fucking post) I still pointed guilt at the arabs. Everytime. Not for the entire situation (that’s inaccurate) but for their murderous rampages, definitely… Who else?

Right, i have access to some young Chinese/Japanese/Russians/any other country practically. You know where, i ain’t bragging. They definitely all see America as a bogeyman, and some even (rich kids from China, whose parents move in elite circles) believe that soon, China will put down this arrogant little kid of a nation. Remember USA is about 200 years old. How do you think China (with wisdom from Lao Tzu etc, and also a recent history of communism, and now trying to be ultra-competitive in trade) feel about America? Maybe like you seem to feel about me. But the difference- you can’t touch me (good luck with China). There is documented evidence of exploitation, imperialism, arrogance, USA-centrism, not to mention NWO…

I definitely am not about to get talking about history with you again, i don’t believe either of us would benefit.

Think about this- which is stronger - a man who’s been lifting for 25 years with improper methods, reading mens health etc, or one who has been training, eating, resting and all that good stuff, according to T-Nation for only 5 years? Yes that’s how i fucking feel about your claims of seniority in this area

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
You must be so proud now… You repeatedly (yes, you, among others) said i was ‘justifying’ terrorism. Do you know what that means? Yeah? Everytime i EXPLAINED some shit (cf.- every fucking post) I still pointed guilt at the arabs. Everytime. Not for the entire situation (that’s inaccurate) but for their murderous rampages, definitely… Who else?
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Danny, agreeing that terrorism is wrong is very different than sharing blame between both parties. You repeatedly place the blame generation in one direction and suggest that terrorism is then a natural option.

While you agree terrorism is wrong, you continue to miss the fact that there are people who are actively choosing terrorism, but it isn’t because of the history itself, except for the ongoing propaganda to stir up hatred concerning that history.

Agree or disagree, but realize that things are a bit more sophisticated than your factual history might imply.

Look, that fact that a lot of people see the US as a young upstart country doesn’t really have a lot to do with current facts. Yes, I’ve seen people around these parts act arrogant and bigoted and so forth, and I’ve been called anti-American for trying to discuss it.

However, I’d be wary of putting too much faith in the ideas of children sent abroad to get an education prior to their indoctrination into the system that drives their nation. Also, it may surprise you, but I too went to university and hung out with supposedly influential peoples children. It’s not very impressive.

Man, for someone that claims they could teach English you mash a lot of shit into a single point. How do you figure I “feel” about you? How do you figure they “feel” about America? How do you figure that relates to the realities of the world today?

Look, you keep bringing a lot of things that have nothing to do with the situation to the table.

LOL. Unfortunately, I am not the one that made claims of superiority or seniority… that was another member who was chastising me. See, you tell me you don’t place others comments at my feet and then you go and do it as plain as day.

What about the person that has been training as the one with 5 years of experience, but has been doing so for 5 times as long? Where is that option in your list?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Well - over the past 30 years they have needed The West Bank, Gaza, and now it seems that Syria “needs” the Golan Heights.

Dude - the conflict has been going on since at least 1967 and the 6 day war. SOme of the greates diplomats the world has known have tried, and failed, to broker peace in that region. And you think we need to try and talk some more?

War is the last and only resort in this region. [/quote]

Actually, that is a perfectly valid answer – if what they need is indeed The West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights, that is clearly not something we or Europe can give them, and Israel is surely not willing to do so either. The problem, of course, is if that is so and what they want is something that nobody will give them means that any conflict will exist until that is no longer true. So either one of the sides will have to change their mind eventually, or die – all of them.

So I believe we can all agree that we hope you are wrong – even though you really might be right.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
So either one of the sides will have to change their mind eventually, or die – all of them.

So I believe we can all agree that we hope you are wrong – even though you really might be right.
[/quote]

Yeah, sorry guys, my plan is going to take decades… not to mention that Bill Gates hasn’t been returning my calls, so I haven’t even gotten started yet.

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In that analogy, you are not the third option. Big head. Condescend to someone else. So you are 45+ years of age, and all this time you’ve been studying like an exigent university student. FUCK YOU all answers lead to your own self congratulation.

If you think American “exploitation, imperialism, arrogance, USA-centrism, not to mention NWO” has nothing to do with the mideast situation, you are a complete idiot. I would be really irritated if i ever had to spend time with someone as stubborn, vague, contradictory, patronising and repetitively mistaken as you have been over the course of these threads. To think i thought you had some insight into the situation yesterday…

“I know you have been coddled in academia for a while, but grow a bit of wisdom man.” This is where you condescended to me, or is it ‘out of context’. You were the one who said that hizbollah is a cancer, and then acted insulted when i extended the metaphor, and pointed out that a) there are carcinogens responsible for any cancer, and b) tripartite treatment is often worse than the disease itself (get me?)

This thread is yours. I know who’s cool and who is ill-informed about mideast current affairs, and my first intention, of discussing.sharing seems to have degraded into a typed witchhunt against my greater insight into the woes that will beget a terrorist. I don’t care if you think war is the answer… For all your brave talk, i would go there and apply my knowledge as a mediator, and maybe i will when i graduate. I don’t care if i die early, if i can effect a noble remedy to this horrible conflict. You, and other ‘war is the only answer’ motherfuckers, will not be joining the army any time i think

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
In that analogy, you are not the third option. Big head. Condescend to someone else. So you are 45+ years of age, and all this time you’ve been studying like an exigent university student. FUCK YOU all answers lead to your own self congratulation.[/quote]

LOL! I never said I was the third option, I’m just countering your own game of setting up rules where all answers lead to your self congratulation.

Have I said that the actions of the past have nothing to do with the present? No. I just don’t think they play the role you think they play. You aren’t used to people disagreeing with your viewpoint are you?

LOL!

I was offended that you enquired about whether or not I’d known anyone with cancer. It seemed inappropriate to me. Get over it.

You have a different insight. Be careful of assuming it is a greater insight. For someone accusing me of being condescending you may want to investigate who you see looking at you in a mirror.

I don’t question your apparent good intentions, but that doesn’t mean you will be able to achieve good.

LOL! I’m not a “war is the only answer” motherfucker. However, an alternative asnwer I suggest is not the same as an alternative answer you suggest.

Funny how that works.

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How ascerbic you are. I don’t mind ‘alternative’ answers at all. In this case, i won’t accept your alternative, nor any that seems intent on depicting me in a certain light. You backtrack so fast i think you might fall over. I understand that you believe i am justifying arab terrorism, you will not (or have not, maybe you don’t like conceding any point to a junior) accept that it is as much the Israelis fault for the problems out there, as the arabs. The central problem is the cause. Conflicts don’t arise out of thin air.

What is the cause of this conflict, in your opinion? If you don’t say Israeli land acquisition and neocolonial conditions, you are wrong. That is the only truth. I can see how a confused liberal might hold the opinion that 'everyone has a right to an opinion… except a terrorist. You seem to forget at one point all terrorists were little children, playing ball games and so forth.

I will only be condescending to you as long as you stubbornly cling to a naive viewpoint that is incompatible with peace/ the facts. What does a terrorists soul look like? Just the same as yours or mine.

The more resistance terrorists encounter, the more violent they become. I never advocate this, but i do understand it. I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it is to be marginalised because of your age/‘radicalism’.

If you think you know more about this than me, bullshit. I’ve wasted so much time trying to get over the hurdle others put there, and you agreed to, that i was a terrorist sympathiser.

I refer you to my previous posts, which contain historical facts in abundance. These are ingrained in my memory. It really is a human tragedy without equal.
In some countries now you can be arrested for denying the holocaust. One day it may be the same if you try to say stupid shit like ‘history isn’t really the issue, it’s terrorism’ or deny that Israel are more murderous by number than all of the Islamic nationalist terrorists in the world combined. Do some independent study. Look up the figures (and bear in mind also, that Israel are the hegemonic ones, so may discredit arab protests at bombings.murders etc).

The facts don’t have to come from my mouth, i think you as a person would respond better to independent analysis, but i do hope you bone up on it. when you know… PM me and we’ll have a chat

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[quote]ExNole wrote:
It’s been said before in other threads, but they desparately need a higher standard living and a decent, formal, secular education system.

For instance, if Iraq ever gets to an acceptable level of stablility,[/quote]

You didn’t answer my second question: who can give them that (INCLUDING stability)?

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Unfortunately Vroom the “propaganda” in this case is that Israel wants peace and is constantly the hapless “victim” of evil terrorists.

Victor Ostrovsky, former Mossad agent, author of “By Way of Deception” and “The Other Side of Deception”.

excerpt from “The Other Side of Deception” 1994…

[i]"The Mossad realized that it had to come up with a new threat to the region, a threat of such magnitude that it would justify whatever action the Mossad might see fit to take.

The right-wing elements in the Mossad (and in the whole country, for that matter) had what they regarded as a sound philosophy: They believed (correctly, as it happened) that Israel was the strongest military presence in the Middle East. In fact, they believed that the military might of what had become known as “fortress Israel” was greater than that of all of the Arab armies combined, and was responsible for whatever security Israel possessed. The right wing believed then - and they still believe - that this strength arises from the need to answer the constant threat of war.

The corollary belief was that peace overtures would inevitably start a process of corrosion that would weaken the military and eventually bring about the demise of the state of Israel, since, the philosophy goes, its Arab neighbors are untrustworthy, and no treaty signed by them is worth the paper it’s written on.

Supporting the radical elements of Muslim fundamentalism sat well with the Mossad’s general plan for the region. An Arab world run by fundamentalists would not be a party to any negotiations with the West, thus leaving Israel again as the only democratic, rational country in the region. And if the Mossad could arrange for the Hamas (Palestinian fundamentalists) to take over the Palestinian streets from the PLO, then the picture would be complete."[/i]
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/ostrovsky.html

Israeli agents accused of creating fake al-Qaeda cell
Sydney Morning Herald
Gaza City
December 9 2002

Israel is no more a victim than Wesley Snipes is a white woman. Point of fact, as Ostrovsky points out, these so called “terrorist attacks”, allow Israel to unleash military force with impunity under the guise of self-defense.

Everyone likes to point out how whenever Israel tries to negotiate a peace agreement, the evil Arabs suddenly derail the process by shooting rockets into Israel, thereby proving it’s the Arabs who don’t want peace. Of course occasionally, the real culprits are exposed…

Mortar mishap sparks security scare ahead of peace summit
Daily Star staff
February 08, 2005
Three mortars, apparently fired by a private Israeli defense contractor accidentally, exploded in northern Israel near the Lebanese border Monday. The explosions, which Israeli police initially blamed on the Lebanese resistance group Hizbullah, caused a security scare ahead of today’s Sharm el-Sheikh summit.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=12482

Oops.

[quote]
"In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda. Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, " just to keep people frightened “. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.”[/quote]

  • George Orwell’s, 1984
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Danny

I’ve watched some of the other regulars play with you like a cat toy and try and educate you. Unfortunately your youth and arrogance have got the best of you. Vroom and I rarely agree but he has bloodied you and if you don’t realize that then your idealism has clouded your judgement.

First you knowledge of the mideast conflict is naive and elementary. Nearly all of your arguments are based on propaganda and sadly you don’t even realize it. Your bias drips from every post you make. Moderate Arabs would look on your arguments as extreme, do you realize that?. It’s not about passion, it’s simply about reason and common sense and you are lacking in both. My guess is that your posts are more about agiprop then real discussion…but time will tell. You are certainly one in a long line who have passed thru this board, rarely to be heard from again.

It is not the job of the West to solve the problems of the Middle East and right the percieved wrongs of a group of people who have lost the moral character to decide what is right from wrong. What you are witnessing is a dramatic change in the ME. The stronger powers are not offering anything (US and Israel) to the minor powers and wannabees. Instead the terms are being dicatated. Surrender your weapons, stop killing the innocent or you will perish.

Your efforts to frame the possible answers to your hypothetical questions are comical and childish. Please elevate your game should you choose to respond to this post.

Finally, please save the pontification regarding your command of the English language. Spelling and Grammar are the mark of an educated man. If you are not well educated, then please save your boasting. If you are, then demonstrate it. You have not done so. Your writing, in this thread, is high school level, at best.

Back on point, Who, in your opinion. would Israel and the US negotiate with?
Who would they seek a peace with? What party in the Middle East has the authority or clout to negotiate anything and stick to it?

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
How ascerbic you are. I don’t mind ‘alternative’ answers at all. In this case, i won’t accept your alternative, nor any that seems intent on depicting me in a certain light. You backtrack so fast i think you might fall over. I understand that you believe i am justifying arab terrorism, you will not (or have not, maybe you don’t like conceding any point to a junior) accept that it is as much the Israelis fault for the problems out there, as the arabs. The central problem is the cause. Conflicts don’t arise out of thin air. [/quote]

Where to start. You must have fifteen disparate points in there. I really think it helps your position that you state up front that you “won’t accept” things you don’t want to hear.

The beginning of the problem obviously happened when Israel was ceded the land. This is not Israel’s fault, but the fault of those that imposed this solution at the beginning.

From there, we have traveled a path that you are happy to elucidate, quick to point to every single action taken by Israel as wrong. Never mind that reactions call for counter-reactions and that both sides have had equally “justified” enmity and hatred since day one.

However, what you discount is the nature of the ubiquitious propaganda that has been present in the Middle East now for decades. The Iraqi PM himself is unable to make public statements about the impropriety of the actions of Hezbollah.

There is more at play here than the raw facts of the case. This is something that you fail to see.

Your truth, right? Look, answer me this, if your country was attacked, would you fight back? Instead of trying to place events in terms of who was right and who was wrong, I have tried to get you to understand what choices were available and why decisions were made… not simply what the decisions were with as much negative coloring as possible attached to them.

LOL! What bullshit. You like to draw conclusions about other people when you have no clue about reality, don’t you? Is this how you draw conclusions about world political issues?

You can be condescending all you like, it only makes you look foolish.

Stepping outside of the Israel vs Lebanon situation, it is pretty clear that one cannot accede to the wishes of terrorists. It is a fools game. As a general rule terrorists cannot be rewarded for such actions.

Stepping back into the Israel vs Lebanon situation with that as a backdrop, it gets difficult to see what you suggest Israel should do. You offer a lot of platitudes, but they basically mean that Israel should accept death of their citizens endlessly, until their nation is dismantled.

You have really offered nothing by way of solutions towards peace, you have just railed against the injustices of war and displayed a fervent desire for things to be different, all the while blaming Israel for everything.

A dead terrorist is not very violent anymore. A citizen that does not become a terrorist will not need to meet any resistance at all.

Maybe you don’t need to tell me about being marginalized for having different views or beliefs than others. Maybe it isn’t something that only you have experienced. However, the way to deal with it is to improve your ability to express yourself.

Either you will find a way to communicate your viewpoint in a way that people will understand and agree with it, or perhaps you will admit that you don’t know everything about the situation and that other factors must be influencing viewpoints that perhaps you aren’t aware of.

You sound, over and over again, to be blaming Israel for the situation. You suggest that terrorism is an expected and somehow appropriate response. This makes you sound like someone who is trying to “justify” terrorism, which is different than being a sympathizer. Again, beware of taking others characterizations and laying the blame at my feet.

Do you think the terrorists would kill a lot more people if they could? What you keep complaining about is that terrorists are picking fights with a well armed foe, hiding amongst civilians, and then using the results from that as propaganda.

If you want to sound like you aren’t anti-Israeli and pro-terrorist then you should really change your language to simply discuss the disparity in loss of life and so forth. However, you also need to demonstrate an understanding of how and why that has happened and who’s choices have been driving it.

LOL! Yes, see, the Israeli’s are always lying to you, but the terrorists are telling the truth. Give your head a shake.

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Do you know how frustrating it is to know something for sure, and not want to preach, but just discuss this like civilised, intelligent people, then everyone starts kicking in with denial and stuff. If Berardi did all his homework, then people were like 'But Ronald McDonald told me a hamburder with cheese is really the perfect meal, it even has lettuce in it…He’d get pissed off. Imagine if the other guy also said Berardi was actually a negative influence for saying that no, this wasn’t the perfect meal… And called him names, and just tried to wind him up, and used his youth as a criticism.

The truth will out one day, until then i’ll be a silent cassandra

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Well, I’m not going down the mud-slinging path, but this thread reminded me of something a very good psychologist friend of mine once said, that I’d like to share:

The key to diplomacy, and specifically to resolving conflict, is not paying attention to what the other thinks, but rather to what the other needs.

So, what does the Islamic world need? And, whatever it is, who can give it to them? Can we (the USA), or Europe?

Answer those questions and you will have the solution. It’s as simple as that.[/quote]

Why should we offer anything Hspder?

What will they give to us should be the question? Why should the US or Israel seek terms?

How about they offer a rejection of terrorism? Stop attacking US and Israeli interests? Turn over all wanted terrorists…then we will consider mutually beneficial pacts?

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
…[/quote]

Oh man, you shouldn’t feed the paranoia of the gullible like that.

While I am sure there has been the odd screwup and misguided deed, some people are all to quick to believe that all bad deeds in the region are the fault of Israel.

Just read the thread.

Or, notice that the Iraqi PM wasn’t able to criticize Hezbollah in current events. The entire Arab world, apparently, hates Israel and is fed anti-Israeli and anti-American propaganda on a daily basis.

I wouldn’t expect much love from Iraq once the military finally does pull out of the region.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
…

Oh man, you shouldn’t feed the paranoia of the gullible like that.

While I am sure there has been the odd screwup and misguided deed, some people are all to quick to believe that all bad deeds in the region are the fault of Israel.

Just read the thread.

Or, notice that the Iraqi PM wasn’t able to criticize Hezbollah in current events. The entire Arab world, apparently, hates Israel and is fed anti-Israeli and anti-American propaganda on a daily basis.

I wouldn’t expect much love from Iraq once the military finally does pull out of the region.[/quote]

Israel calls up media ‘reserves’
Jerusalem Post
July 17, 2006
Shariv and Meir said that Israel was winning the international battle for public opinion.

“We take the job of explaining our position to the world very seriously and we are doing exactly what we need to do,” Shariv said. “The foreign press can’t complain that they don’t have anyone to speak to.”

Shariv said that Israelis have been interviewed by the foreign press four times as much as spokespeople for the Palestinians and Lebanese. As proof of Israel’s success, he also cited a poll of Sky News viewers that found that 80 percent believe that Israel’s attacks on Lebanon were justified.

“We have never had it so good,” Meir said. “The hasbara effort is a well-oiled machine.”

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Shariv and Meir said that Israel was winning the international battle for public opinion.[/quote]

LOL!

There is nothing sinister here. The public can listen to Israel or the toad from Syria who was clearly spewing propaganda during the first days and avoiding all questions.

People aren’t totally stupid, and the facts of the issue were pretty clear when not viewed through the lens of hatred.

Maybe instead of trying to shape nothing into something you can actually question the output from both sides of the issue.

What about Hezbollah staging demonstrations involving empty ambulances racing off with lights flashing for photo ops?

If you want to play the game, then play both sides, then you’ll have a chance at being taken seriously.