[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
vroom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I am giving vroom a new nickname. From here on out, you will be known as “Little Joe” aka Little Joe Lieberman.
Hey, there is no need to pick on me!
I see it as a compliment. If more Dems were like him the country would be a far better place.
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Lieberman is Jewish first and a democrat second.
Everyone knows that.
Danny,
You have offically lost it.
We need energy and the Arabs have it.
It is in our country’s best interest to make sure our energy supply is stable otherwise chaos is not far behind.
Get over it.
Cheers!
marmadogg
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
ok- Doogie- You are exposed- redneck-
"We don’t need them to understand us, to tolerate us, or to be our friends.
Ultimately, our interests are going to be opposed. What is best for us (cheap oil) is not what is best for them."
I value life above petrol, and yes I can drive so it is relevant to me. Stop driving a pickup! Buy a citroen lol
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I teach illegal aliens from Mexico who live in one room cinder block shacks. They all have a better command of English than you.
I’m white trash, not a redneck.
I drive a little Kia that gets 32 mpg.
Short list of things made with oil:
Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician?s tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing nets, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring, hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, nylons, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers, vitamin capsules, volleyballs, water pipes, water skis, wax, wax paper
In the real world, people have to defend their own interests. Cheap oil is in our best interest. That means a weak, disorganized OPEC is in our interest.
We are going to get the oil, one way or another.
If all the hate and all the infighting in the Middle East came to an end, we’d be screwed. We would soon find ourself fighting a HUGE war rather than the limited ones we are fighting now.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Israel has gone above and beyond what is called for for these two soldiers. [/quote]
Clearly you were never in the military.
EVERYONE in Israel has to serve. That means everyone sees those kidnapped soldiers as potentially being their own sons or brothers or fathers–even their own daughters/sisters/mothers. If you aren’t willing to fight for your loved ones, what good are you?
Do you think more or less soldiers would have been kidnapped in the coming years if Israel didn’t react the way they have?
I’m a little sick of your “I read books”, “I teach english”, “I don’t have to use quoting” and general sanctimonious attitude given that you don’t seem to communicate effectively.
Dude, when in the history of the world have all nations held hands and sang kumba-ya? Obviously the Arab world has disrespected the UN, Israel has disrespected the UN, the US has disrespected the UN. People like to use the UN as a crutch when it agrees with them, but ignore it when it doesn’t.
The UN is important when it gets enough gumption together to actually act. It passes a lot of resolutions that amount to exactly nothing.
At times action X may not be a mistake. It may be the only action available or the choice from a series of bad choices that was made. Where we differ is that I think the use of X to fuel hatred for generations is stupid.
Since when have I argued that in the future we shouldn’t use history to avoid doing X again? Some actions are not such that they can be undone. The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki can’t be undone. I don’t see that X being used by the Japanese to fuel hatred of the US for endless generations.
[quote]I’ll continue to play that game. It’s the only hope for peace that doesn’t involve whole nations enslaved/dead, in my (lone, it seems) opinion.
I see your cancer point, and concur. What the carcinogens were is important to me.[/quote]
Peace is available whenever people let go of hatred. Again, having knowledge of history is not so that we can be angry about it and fuel death and terrorism for generations.
I know you are a student of history. I know you think the course of events is important. I’m not saying we should not understand history, but history does not drive us. History should not force us into hatred and warfare.
You need to pick apart the pieces of knowing history and allowing history to develop ongoing conflict or hatred. They are not one and the same. The use of history, or twisted history as propaganda, is how the passions of the populace are inflamed so that peace does not occur. This is also an X leading to a Y that could be stopped.
I’m not sure I get the subtle crack. What has been seen in recent history is basically one western nation with half it’s populace grudgingly accepting a war halfheartedly.
Basically, most of the western world has contributed nothing to the effort and even the US has barely noticed any effect other than the fact that many families have experienced tragedy and loss.
Unite the western world and have them put their hearts into a conflict and there will be no comparison. This isn’t a good thing, but this is what terrorism has the power to achieve. Whatever X is causing this cascade may end up being studied by future historians.
I thought english was your language, you were the man. What the fuck are you trying to say here?
Why do you feel the need to insert words into what I’ve said? I’m perfectly able to include them there myself if I wanted them there. Is this a product of your superior english language skills?
Look, if the Lebanese problem were to have been solved, simply by Hezbollah not being a part of the situation we are in, then it would have softened the situation in the region and allowed Israel to address the situation in other regions more appropriately.
You can’t give Israel two or three different terrorist threats and expect them to start capitulating. There is also the little principle of never giving in to terrorism - which makes it difficult to resolve the situation.
In fucking particular, notice that if a suitable situation was worked out in Lebanon, to the satisfaction of both Lebanon and Israel, the weight of a lot of your words would be gone. Terrorists could no longer use Lebanon as a reason to inspire hatred.
The terrorist groups are not interested in this situation coming to a good conclusion. Why do you think they choose this time to get involved in the situation and muck up things? Amazingly, just when the Lebanese issue was on the verge of working itself out.
I think the fact that a solution was available and Hezbollah rejected it, not Israel and not Lebanon, really invalidates most of your whining. It shows that a solution was certainly possible and that Hezbollah (and those that support it) are completely to blame for the current situation.
You should integrate that into your long term hatred based on original action concept, because it really shows my point, that freedom and peace are available as soon as people will reach out and take it, turning away from hatred and terrorism.
You keep making my point for me, thank you.
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
(you ever know anyone eho had cancer? I have)[/quote]
What kind of dumbass question is this? I know you have been coddled in academia for a while, but grow a bit of wisdom man.
Do not forget about the 8 that were killed at the same time.
Should Israel have responded by murdering 8 random Lebanese and call it a day or should they try to destroy Hezbollah and put a stop to the whole thing.
Hezbollah will never quit trying to destroy Israel. It is in their charter.
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Just pedantic… but calling Italy 1/3 of the ‘power’ is funny. Hitler practically loved Mussolini… But they were were, uninfluential… a hindrance, don’t you agree? [/quote]
They are lovers not fighters. At least they won the World cup.
[quote]vroom wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
(you ever know anyone eho had cancer? I have)
What kind of dumbass question is this? I know you have been coddled in academia for a while, but grow a bit of wisdom man.[/quote]
He is a young kid. I don’t think he understands that many of us have lived much longer than he has. Many of us have children.
We have lost friends and relatives to cancer and accidents.
We have read countless books and pondered these issues for longer than he has been around.
It is no wonder that he (and other young guys) don’t display the same level of wisdom even though they may be intelligent guys.
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Rainjack you’ve got me wrong son… I never defended terrorists once… EVERY FUCKING TIME i said i hate death, terrorists, etc etc etc. I explained their motivations, so we can try to defuse them (try- no-ones done that yet- you won’t prove that statement wrong as all mid-east peace efforts have been predicated by Doogie’s interests above)[/quote]
Your knowledge of history is incredibly myopic if you honestly think that no one has tried to achieve peace in the middle east - particularly wrt Israel. Every American President since Carter has held peace talks for the middle east.
From the Camp David Accord in the 70’s right on through to Bush’s Roadmap for Peace - it has been tried, and it has failed. The only difference between now and 1976 is that Israel has less land to defend because they kepp giving it away.
I don’t want to understand the motivation of a band of murderous thugs that target children. They deserve death, and maybe now that is just what they will get.
[quote]I’M SURE IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY YOU’LL SEE THAT iSRAEL’S HANDS HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY UNTIED… FOR A LONG TIME.
peace[/quote]
They were tied in 1973 and have not been loosed to any substantial amount of freedom since.
The side you have chosen in this is clear to everyone but yourself. Throwing out racial slurs as a defense of your position is a pathetic move.
Please try to quit telling everyone how smart and well educated you are. Your writing is abysmal, and your logic is on par with your writing skills.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
He is a young kid. I don’t think he understands that many of us have lived much longer than he has. Many of us have children.
We have lost friends and relatives to cancer and accidents.
We have read countless books and pondered these issues for longer than he has been around.
It is no wonder that he (and other young guys) don’t display the same level of wisdom even though they may be intelligent guys.
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I know, way to make me feel bad for being so tough on him Zap! 
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Anyway, Danny, let me say this another way.
Based on the title of this thread, I think that original transgression X would have been long forgotten by now if it wasn’t for decades of propaganda used to keep hatred and anger alive throughout the entire Middle East.
All we need to do (ha! like it’s easy) is stop the propaganda and the region would settle down.
Just like (your analogy) the Nazi’s used what was available to control the population, the radicals are using what is available to control the population in the Middle East, whipping them into a fervent hatred.
It’s a shame. However, knowing X doesn’t mean we can fix X, that we can undo it, though there are many things that can be fixed or stopped instead.
By the way, it certainly is no fault of yours, but there has been recent and are ongoing cancer issues with some of my relatives. It’s not something I wish to casually discuss.
Alright white trash, sorry to insult (joke- sorry man, no personal hate).
I doubt very much these mexicans are as you say. Do they know hat an intransitive verb is? Do they know about phonemes, interjections, tautology, aggluttals, etc etc? No? Everyone stop criticising my English, seriously. I have never ever ever ever had a problem with English in any way. Chill.
“It is in our country’s best interest to make sure our energy supply is stable otherwise chaos is not far behind.” So you’re telling me there’s no alternate energy source that big rich fat guys suppressed studies into- how about hydrogen? Quite powerful, abundant etc
Doog, i know there’s lots of shit we make out of oil. There’s lots of shit i could make out of your skin also (clothes, lampshades) but i won’t Because it’s not nice/human.
Further- is it only your country’s interests that matter? If so you’re admitting to be ethically wrong/perpetuating wars for a finite energy source, that’ll be gone in 25-50 years anyway!
Also, look who else holds lots of oil- China, and Russia. I don’t see the US/agents of it like Israel going to China and trying that shit. Nah, you’d get swarmed by a million diligent fearless motherfuckers, and buried in a tide of Mandarin shrieks.
“You have officially lost it.”
I don’t want to win if this is the standard of behaviour you are all judging by.
Vroom be sick of my attitude, i only once invoked it (humbly) before evryone started getting annoyed at my ‘radical’ views.
“Dude, when in the history of the world have all nations held hands and sang kumba-ya? Obviously the Arab world has disrespected the UN, Israel has disrespected the UN, the US has disrespected the UN. People like to use the UN as a crutch when it agrees with them, but ignore it when it doesn’t.” Exactly so shut the fuck up. If a) stealing oil is beaucoup b) America is the centre of the world c) Dissent in any rational way is depicted by broad sections of said centre as ‘terrorist-endorsing’ d) Israel gets no condemnation for clearly having a 10-1 civilian murder rate comparative to the terrorists they’re fighting
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW THIS HAPPENED. I DON’T LIKE IT, AND LIKE I’VE SAID BEFORE, ENJOY IT BECAUSE ASIA’S COMING FOR YA. WHEN CHINA FINALLY TRIES TO INVADE TAIWAN, YOU’LL BE EXPOSED AS PUSSIES. THANK YOU
“Where we differ is that I think the use of X to fuel hatred for generations is stupid.” When did i say this (or even not say the opposite as a necessary disclaimer)?? No i didn’t say it, so don’t oint your finger at me on that account.
" I don’t see that X being used by the Japanese to fuel hatred of the US for endless generations." Perhaps irrelevant, perhaps mistaken, but in my experience of Japanese people, they are not very vicious/warlike etc. Shoguns and shit- look like NFL players. Now- they are inebriated on technology and VR, ok? But yes, I’m sure that’s better for the USA/North America/the world. So i like that passivity they have.
“Peace is available whenever people let go of hatred.” (I’m the idealist?)
" history does not drive us. History should not force us into hatred and warfare." True. How many times have you had the humility to accept a single thing i said, despite your acknowledging that i know my shit? Any of you?
" The use of history, or twisted history as propaganda, is how the passions of the populace are inflamed so that peace does not occur. This is also an X leading to a Y that could be stopped." Fuck yeah. Now i know you’ve been skimming my shit. That’s my point. Hate (in your examples- terrorism) is so wrong, and while most just say ‘stop that’ i say ‘stop that. prevent that.’ This, sadly takes more consideration/empathy (emotional intelligence). That is hard.
The subtlety i spoke of is the apparent invisibility of any balance of evil/significant ‘x’, and scant mention of it in our societies, except by discredited radicals (like Chomsky, etc… You can’t begin to understand his genius in so many aspects of human interest, he is a pioneer in erhaps a half dozen or more) and ‘traitor journalists’ who get ignored anyway. By most. This is a mistake. This is how this shit stays subtle. I’m sure you knwo what i mean now.
“Basically, most of the western world has contributed nothing to the effort and even the US has barely noticed any effect other than the fact that many families have experienced tragedy and loss.” That’s the beauty of shitting everywhere but at the place where u eat
10-1= the documented (maybe inaccurate, so at a stretch lets say 8-1, a favour to Israel) death rates in Lebaonon, the greater figure being arabs, the lesser being Israelis. All the Israelis were soldiers. At least half Lebanese were civilians. I’m not saying either side is right/wrong, i just think the consensus is that arab murders- bad, jew murders- ok. That is shit. I hate that. Both murder, and as i’ve said before, the Israeli’s have a greater capacity to kill, so should forver be restrained, not supplemented and reinforced by the US, otherwise the USA are an accessory to war crimes. Let’s think of war crimes as ‘official terrorism’. ‘Terror’ is terrorism implemented by a state, ‘Terrorism’ is renegade terrorism, the type you all know, and are sensitive to. I see both, and equally condemn. Maybe i won’t fit in around here. Who cares.
The only word i inserted in all the quotes, was changing ‘assclown’ to ‘dissenter’. No worries, any time, i’ll help you with your homework if you want.
“You can’t give Israel two or three different terrorist threats and expect them to start capitulating.” for posterity- NO DOUBT. THIS IS A TRICKY DECISION FOR ISRAEL, LOOKS LIKE KILL OR BE KILLED. BUT WAIT- IT COULD BE STOP INVADING, TAKING LAND, AND KILLING, AND IMPRISON TERRORISTS INSTEAD (LIKE CIVILISED COUNTRIES GENERALLY DO)- THAT SEEMS BETTER TO ME. NO BIAS TOWARD EITHER SIDE. IT’S HUMAN RIGHTS. UNIVERSALLY APPLICABLE.
“In fucking particular, notice that if a suitable situation was worked out in Lebanon, to the satisfaction of both Lebanon and Israel, the weight of a lot of your words would be gone. Terrorists could no longer use Lebanon as a reason to inspire hatred.” This is what i hope to happen. Think i care about the gravity of my words? I don’t. They are words. If this shit stopped, i could write a poem,song,story,post-it note,recipe,menu,postcard etc and not miss my words being so profound, sincere and important. GET ME ON THIS. UNDERSTAND WHO I AM A LITTLE BETTER> THIS IS NOT A CRY FOR HELP (for me at least ;))
“There is also the little principle of never giving in to terrorism - which makes it difficult to resolve the situation.” Yeah so i’ve looked at the efficacy of this principle- It’s got a lot of land, money etc, and lost a lot of sons and daughters (even if we discount the terrorist attacks Israel passively suffered, which of course we’re not)
I agree Lebanon has been used very selfishly by the arabs throughout. As an expendable outpost, or something like that. I don’t agree with this lack of sympathy/ lack of love.
“I think the fact that a solution was available and Hezbollah rejected it, not Israel and not Lebanon, really invalidates most of your whining. It shows that a solution was certainly possible and that Hezbollah (and those that support it) are completely to blame for the current situation.” Yep. When was this. Seriously. You mean Israel said ‘You can have your country back to pre-green line borders, we’ll stop demolishing homes in Gaza/building them in the West Bank, You may go to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem/we’ll stop tunneling under it to try to make your holy site collapse, we’ll give you back water, crops, stop blowing up your bridges while building ours Etc’ and hizbollah/Hamas said ‘Nah, we like this jihad, let’s carry on and suffer more despair at facing an insurmountable enemy, with religious fanaticism and complete lack of mercy against our agressors being our principal powers?’ No this never happened did it. So when did they negotiate with any intention of solving this shit
“freedom and peace are available as soon as people will reach out and take it, turning away from hatred and terrorism.”
This last point, seriously, elaborate on this. Make a whole point showing me concrete examples how this may happen, so i better understand who you are, what you believe and what you know. I’ve shown you a lot of evidence to support what i’m saying, If yours isn’t a huxley flashback ideal born inside your head with no substantiation, please prove this. And see how much more respect i can show you, and even you admit our paths are not entirely divergent “You keep making my point for me, thank you.”
Op-Ed article by Austin Bay. Good analysis on why this confrontation is important.
Will Islamo-fascism follow anarchism?s path?
by Austin Bay
July 26, 2006
Hezbollah and other Islamo-fascist terrorists concluded long ago that “if it bleeds it leads” doesn’t simply apply to the sensation-hungry media. Islamo-fascist mass murderers maintain public bloodletting (their enemy’s and their own) is a victory in itself.
We know “big bloodletting” means big headlines. But for Hezbollah’s philosophes, mass bloodletting serves another purpose: It is a demonstration of terrorist commitment and moral will.
Islamo-fascist “death cult” terrorists are convinced their forceful willpower (when combined with actions demonstrating millenarian certitude) ultimately guarantees defeat of liberal Western couch potatoes and sheep.
The Islamo-fascists aren’t the first international mass murder movement to deserve the moniker of “death cult.” In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, trans-national anarchists touted “politics of the bomb” and “propaganda by deed.”
The anarchists spilled blood – over a seven-year period (1894-1901) they killed a French president, a Spanish prime minister, an Italian king and a U.S. president (William McKinley). However, they failed to ignite a global revolution that they claimed would produce an earthly paradise of justice once the ancien regimes disappeared in flames. The anarchists believed their own propaganda, and by doing so misjudged the enormous strengths of liberal capitalist democracies. They totally underestimated the United States.
Unfortunately, the anarchists’ agitprop techniques inform contemporary terrorists, and the dregs of its half-baked philosophies continue to deform a few lost corners of human culture. A romantic notion of anarchist violence energizes much of the radical-chic rhetoric emanating from American college campuses, providing pseudo-intellectual tropes for anti-Americanism and “anti-globalization.”
These are the rear-guard actions of a dead-end ideology posing as the avant-garde.
We’ll all be better off when Islamo-fascism follows anarchism’s path. Pray for the day when the proponents of Hezbollahism and Bin Ladenism are mere academic crackpots.
But defeating Islamo-fascism means men and women who love their own liberty enough to defend it (wherever they live on this often tortured planet of ours) must once again display more spine than the killers.
Defeating death cults entails persevering despite loss of life and heinous outrage.
At the moment, the world’s most critical demonstration of the will to persevere and destroy terrorism is Israel’s confrontation with Hezbollah in northern Israel and southern Lebanon.
During the 1990s, Hezbollah (with Iranian and Syrian support) fought a grinding guerrilla war against Israel’s occupation of south Lebanon. Under international pressure to withdraw as a prelude to a peace deal, Israel pulled out. Hezbollah touted Israel’s withdrawal as a loss of Israeli will to fight.
But Hezbollah’s Iranian masters never thought the U.S. would be in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The Iraqi election of January 2005 ignited Lebanon’s “Beirut Spring” pro-democracy rallies. Those rallies shook even the most willful tyrants in Tehran and Syria. The appeal of liberal democracy brought couch potatoes and sheep into the streets – indicating they weren’t couch potatoes.
Which is why I know this Israel-Hezbollah war is no accident. Tyrants and terrorists must dash the hopes of couch potatoes and sheep. The will of the tyrants and terrorists cannot be successfully mocked and challenged, or it’s over for the tyrants and terrorists. And, oh yes, Iran’s holy quest for a nuclear weapon cannot be thwarted, either.
But tyrants and terrorists’ willpower and warfare are being challenged. Over the last two weeks, criticism of Israel from the usual amen corners has been conspicuously circumspect. It appears U.S.-led diplomatic efforts designed to give Israel the time to defeat Hezbollah are working.
Let’s hope Condi Rice can buy Israel a couple of months. Israel indicates it intends to destroy, bunker by bunker, Iran’s investment in Hezbollah. The Israelis are killing Hezbollah’s fighters – and letting the sensation-hungry media document their deaths.
Hezbollah can proclaim a victory-in-death, but like the claims of its global anarchist antecedents, the bloody tout will be desperately hollow.
Hey yeh i’m 21, i’m sure you all know cancer victims, you called hizbollah a cancer, i just pointed out that tripartite (slash, burn etc, it’s a living nightmare) is horrible, to extend your metaphor. I meant no offense really. I apologise profusely and sincerely if i offended anyone. If you know anyone currently in this position (i do0 you’re my brother and all peace and supprt be with you
"He is a young kid. I don’t think he understands that many of us have lived much longer than he has. Many of us have children.
We have lost friends and relatives to cancer and accidents.
We have read countless books and pondered these issues for longer than he has been around.
It is no wonder that he (and other young guys) don’t display the same level of wisdom even though they may be intelligent guys."
I bet you’re a good dad. even when you patronise me it sounds warm :).
Nah please let me stop this forever. For the record i’m interested in weightlifting, and have no real-world experience of it. Unfortunately no man showed me about weights.
Don’t presume because of this, and my evident intelligence (sorry) i somehow have no real world experience. I’ve been a lover, a fighter, a student, a near-father a few times, I’ve been stabbed, bottled, nursed older members of my family through sickness, and recovered from a brain haemorrhage and learned to walk and coordinate the entire left hand side of my body again through my own volition. I’ve been the most senior man in my family and provided for my sisters while they played with the toys i bought them. I’ve earned your fucking respect, remember that. I concede that you know more about hypertrophy/pulling 600 or whatever than me.
Until someone starts a thread titled 'I think dannyrat is weak/petulant/ignorant or whatever, FUCK OFF.
Let’s stay on topic. I can very much take any criticism you throw at me concerning israel/palestine it is inevitable, because i think things must be said/known that most of you don’t care about. So… prove me wrong. Quote as many things as i have. If you’ve been there, done that you’ll know how much references are king in an essay, if you’re going to assume the role of teacher, assume the position
Even though we disagree about one issue to do with the middle east, zap and i agree about italy, and that makes me smile. That is what i prefer, but i will not bow to anyone who tries to strip me of my dignity jsut because we disagree, very much the opposite. In your infinite experience you should know this is how young, fierce people act and think. So take the path of least resistance. I say all this not because i think i’m a special case, but because i’ve shown you all the courtesy of not insulting you directly, except doogie, once (sorry man)
There’s plenty to be spoken about here
Great idea! Take your terror-justifying, smarter-than-thou bullshit to another site. Maybe www.alqaeda.com? If you are voluminous enough with your defense of the downtrodden terrorist maybe they’ll put you on a recruiting poster! Maybe you can even write it: “i’m sosmart read14books like me and join the muvement. babylonian since 1000bc baby! Free palustine!”
Chill out.
Danny,
If you can’t be bothered to figure out a decent way of quoting I can’t be bothered to pick through your huge pile of drivel to counterpoint your junk. Maybe someone else will feel like it.
You may also want to try to address one person at a time, so that you aren’t blaming me for the statements of another or assuming I agree with the statements of another.
Stop telling us how big your Internet penis is as well, we don’t care about your qualifications, your life experience, or whatever else you wish to brag about, your words will stand or more apparently fall on their own.
The little thought speech bubble to your right with the quotation marks automatically quotes someone else’s post for you. To add you own thoughts:
[ quote ]
without the spaces to start quoting someone.
[ /quote ] without the spaces to stop quoting someone.
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Alright white trash, sorry to insult (joke- sorry man, no personal hate).
I doubt very much these mexicans are as you say. Do they know hat an intransitive verb is? Do they know about phonemes, interjections, tautology, aggluttals, etc etc? No? Everyone stop criticising my English, seriously. I have never ever ever ever had a problem with English in any way. Chill. [/quote]
You don’t need to know what any of those things are to form a coherent paragraph. You’ve got a “can’t see the forest for the trees” thing going on.
[quote]
“It is in our country’s best interest to make sure our energy supply is stable otherwise chaos is not far behind.” So you’re telling me there’s no alternate energy source that big rich fat guys suppressed studies into- how about hydrogen? Quite powerful, abundant etc[/quote]
Hindenburg.
[quote]
Doog, i know there’s lots of shit we make out of oil. There’s lots of shit i could make out of your skin also (clothes, lampshades) but i won’t Because it’s not nice/human. [/quote]
I’d recycle dead people in a heartbeat if it would help replace oil. It won’t. For now, nothing will. That’s why we are going to do whatever it takes to make sure we ultimately are the ones who control it, rather than a bunch of suicidal loons.
[quote]
Further- is it only your country’s interests that matter?[/quote]
To me and my family, yes.
[quote]
If so you’re admitting to be ethically wrong/perpetuating wars for a finite energy source, that’ll be gone in 25-50 years anyway! [/quote]
Ethically wrong? To look after my family’s best interests? Silly kid.
In your fantasy world, did the U.S. tell Iran to tell give the missles to the terrorists and order them to be fired by the thousands into Israel, then to order the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers? Do you really see this as an American plot?
If Russia and China become as unstable and unpredictable as the Arabs, we’ll worry about their oil.
Well, I’m not going down the mud-slinging path, but this thread reminded me of something a very good psychologist friend of mine once said, that I’d like to share:
The key to diplomacy, and specifically to resolving conflict, is not paying attention to what the other thinks, but rather to what the other needs.
So, what does the Islamic world need? And, whatever it is, who can give it to them? Can we (the USA), or Europe?
Answer those questions and you will have the solution. It’s as simple as that.