Corporate Personhood has never been discussed on this forum.
When this nation was founded, corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society. Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws. Corporations were not people, and did not have the rights granted to people under the bill of rights. They were artificial entities created by people to accomplish specific functions.
These restrictions remained in effect for much of the 19th century, but a corrupted interpretation of the 14th ammendment led corporations to be regarded as people. The 14th Amendment, enacted to protect rights of freed slaves, was used routinely to grant corporations constitutional “personhood.” Justices have since struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise.
Armed with these “rights,” corporations increased control over resources, jobs, commerce, politicians, even judges and the law.
Please read this synopsis of corporate Personhood:
Given the strong base of conservatives on this forum, I would like to hear if any of you can defend the way that the 14th amendment has been perverted.
Americas corporations are not the worst ones in the world. There are corporations in Europe that have annual revenues greater than the Gross national product of some of the smaller European nations. In the US antitrust laws would kick in and break them up.
It is something to bear in mind when people go after the corporations. Most of our manufacturing base is gone overseas but it will be even worse if the corporate offices go with it. The Chinese and others would be happy to have all of it and not put limitations on them.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
lixy wrote:
The Corporation.
23 parts.
There’s no way I’m watching all that - the first minute was boring enough.
Could you just sum up your stupid misguided opinion?[/quote]
I can�??t speak for Lixy but from what I have watched it likens Most Corps as Sociopaths , The only thing that drives a Corp is profit, to hell with people , the environment anybody else�??s money or freedom .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
lixy wrote:
The Corporation.
23 parts.
There’s no way I’m watching all that - the first minute was boring enough.
Could you just sum up your stupid misguided opinion?
I can�??t speak for Lixy but from what I have watched it likens Most Corps as Sociopaths , The only thing that drives a Corp is profit, to hell with people , the environment anybody else�??s money or freedom .
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Thank you, that pretty much answered my question perfectly.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
lixy wrote:
The Corporation.
23 parts.
There’s no way I’m watching all that - the first minute was boring enough.
Could you just sum up your stupid misguided opinion?
I can�??t speak for Lixy but from what I have watched it likens Most Corps as Sociopaths , The only thing that drives a Corp is profit, to hell with people , the environment anybody else�??s money or freedom .
Thank you, that pretty much answered my question perfectly.[/quote]
I personally think business has a (BIG) place in American life, but we have to make sure it is not governing us.
There’s no way I’m watching all that - the first minute was boring enough.
Could you just sum up your stupid misguided opinion?
I can�??t speak for Lixy but from what I have watched it likens Most Corps as Sociopaths , The only thing that drives a Corp is profit, to hell with people , the environment anybody else�??s money or freedom .
Thank you, that pretty much answered my question perfectly.
I personally think business has a (BIG) place in American life, but we have to make sure it is not governing us.
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I agree. However the reason I asked lixy (and phrased it the way I did) is because he comes across more like, “corporations are evil killer robots and they must all be destroyed”.
Big business is bad. I mean, why would we want profitable businesses creating jobs and products and solutions for real and imagined needs?
Intentional harm to the environment should be punished severely, but if one fucking owl dies as a result of creating tons of jobs, then fry the fucking owl up and have an owl tasting party.
Elaborate on how government enables their misbehavior.[/quote]
Mandatory Insurance With out Gov. Oversight. Allowing the financial institutions to create the credit rating score that is totally opaque and then financially punishing the poor with everything from more expensive insurance to emptying their bank acct. if they bounce a check. Allowing the ins.
Companies to get away with saying that the wind had nothing to do with the levies collapsing in New Orleans
Both Gael and J.P dubya should watch at least 20 minutes on Lixy�??s post. No one is saying Corporations are bad what they are saying in too many cases they are creating policy that is beneficial to them and in some cases aren�??t so beneficial to you and I .
I also think if we were to unravel the relationship between lobbyist and our government we would find a wealth of corruption as well as bad deals to our Gov. because our Gov. is not informed enough
I watched the whole thing. Interesting stuff, although I thought the diagnosis as a sociopath stuff in the beginning was a bit cheesy. The film did touch briefly on corporate personhood in the beginning and again in the end.
Did anyone visit my link in the original post or bother to learn about corporate personhood?
By claiming personhood, corporations have been able to bring about tragic judicial decisions, claiming rights that only people should have. Monsanto, for example, has claimed “freedom to not speak” to avoid labeling it’s products and saying whether or not the Bovine Growth Hormone was used.
[quote]Gael wrote:
I watched the whole thing. Interesting stuff, although I thought the diagnosis as a sociopath stuff in the beginning was a bit cheesy. The film did touch briefly on corporate personhood in the beginning and again in the end.
Did anyone visit my link in the original post or bother to learn about corporate personhood?
By claiming personhood, corporations have been able to bring about tragic judicial decisions, claiming rights that only people should have. Monsanto, for example, has claimed “freedom to not speak” to avoid labeling it’s products and saying whether or not the Bovine Growth Hormone was used.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
I personally think business has a (BIG) place in American life, but we have to make sure it is not governing us.
I agree. However the reason I asked lixy (and phrased it the way I did) is because he comes across more like, “corporations are evil killer robots and they must all be destroyed”.[/quote]
I believe some of corporations’ rights are at the expense of human rights. I don’t think “they must all be destroyed”. However, I don’t think “corporate personhood” is doing any good for the majority.
Read a bit on the topic if you want to have a serious discussion.
[quote]Gael wrote:
Corporate Personhood has never been discussed on this forum.
When this nation was founded, corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society. Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
Corporations were not people, and did not have the rights granted to people under the bill of rights. They were artificial entities created by people to accomplish specific functions.
These restrictions remained in effect for much of the 19th century, but a corrupted interpretation of the 14th ammendment led corporations to be regarded as people. The 14th Amendment, enacted to protect rights of freed slaves, was used routinely to grant corporations constitutional “personhood.”
Justices have since struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise.
Armed with these “rights,” corporations increased control over resources, jobs, commerce, politicians, even judges and the law.
Please read this synopsis of corporate Personhood:
Given the strong base of conservatives on this forum, I would like to hear if any of you can defend the way that the 14th amendment has been perverted.
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An excellent summary of the first few parts to Lixy�??s youtube
