[quote]belligerent wrote:
Nothing is innately wrong with corporations. The problem is the government that enables their misbehavior. [/quote]
That’s pretty much where I stand.
I THINK ONE GOOD THING IS DIS ALLOW ANY CORP. FROM MAKING A POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I THINK ONE GOOD THING IS DIS ALLOW ANY CORP. FROM MAKING A POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION[/quote]
I think the first good thing you should focus on is not typing in all-caps.
[quote]wirewound wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I THINK ONE GOOD THING IS DIS ALLOW ANY CORP. FROM MAKING A POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION
I think the first good thing you should focus on is not typing in all-caps.[/quote]
WHY
[quote]wirewound wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Nothing is innately wrong with corporations. The problem is the government that enables their misbehavior.
That’s pretty much where I stand.[/quote]
Unfortunately there are many weak countries that can’t stand up to many of today’s TNCs. What’s needed is some sort of international corporate regulating agency.
Corporations have all the rights of a person, without the legal ramifications of a person. Corporations can kill and not go to jail. And as evidenced by Exxon’s recent overturning of the 10 year old Valdez fines levied against them, they can damn near get off scott free with enough political persuasion.
I personally could not avoid paying a parking ticket for 10 years.
I think most people agree corporations have control over the government. This is a problem because it means the US has become a fascist country.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Corporations have all the rights of a person, without the legal ramifications of a person. Corporations can kill and not go to jail. And as evidenced by Exxon’s recent overturning of the 10 year old Valdez fines levied against them, they can damn near get off scott free with enough political persuasion.
I personally could not avoid paying a parking ticket for 10 years.
I think most people agree corporations have control over the government. This is a problem because it means the US has become a fascist country. [/quote]
Exxon paid a fortune to clean up the mess. They also paid significant fines. All they got was a reduction in the fine.
Exxon also drills oil and refines it into gasoline so I can drive my car and I am thankful the do it.
Corporations do not go to jail but individuals do. Corporatios do not have “all the rights of a person.”
I don’t know where some of you guys get these ideas.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Exxon paid a fortune to clean up the mess. They also paid significant fines. All they got was a reduction in the fine.
Exxon also drills oil and refines it into gasoline so I can drive my car and I am thankful the do it.
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ExxonMobil also changed the owner of the Exxon Valdez to a small company (which it owns 100%), so if another spill occurs ExxonMobil won’t have to pony up the cash for the damage.
This would be slightly less disturbing if this wasn’t a common practice of large corporations around the world.
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Exxon paid a fortune to clean up the mess. They also paid significant fines. All they got was a reduction in the fine.
Exxon also drills oil and refines it into gasoline so I can drive my car and I am thankful the do it.
ExxonMobil also changed the owner of the Exxon Valdez to a small company (which it owns 100%), so if another spill occurs ExxonMobil won’t have to pony up the cash for the damage.
This would be slightly less disturbing if this wasn’t a common practice of large corporations around the world.[/quote]
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Exxon paid a fortune to clean up the mess. They also paid significant fines. All they got was a reduction in the fine.
Exxon also drills oil and refines it into gasoline so I can drive my car and I am thankful the do it.
ExxonMobil also changed the owner of the Exxon Valdez to a small company (which it owns 100%), so if another spill occurs ExxonMobil won’t have to pony up the cash for the damage.
This would be slightly less disturbing if this wasn’t a common practice of large corporations around the world.
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.[/quote]
Huh? Kidding right?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Corporations have all the rights of a person, without the legal ramifications of a person. Corporations can kill and not go to jail. And as evidenced by Exxon’s recent overturning of the 10 year old Valdez fines levied against them, they can damn near get off scott free with enough political persuasion.
I personally could not avoid paying a parking ticket for 10 years.
I think most people agree corporations have control over the government. This is a problem because it means the US has become a fascist country.
Exxon paid a fortune to clean up the mess. They also paid significant fines. All they got was a reduction in the fine.
Exxon also drills oil and refines it into gasoline so I can drive my car and I am thankful the do it.
Corporations do not go to jail but individuals do. Corporatios do not have “all the rights of a person.”
I don’t know where some of you guys get these ideas.
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They do not have “all the rights” but through the courts, they have obtained many of them, and will continue to do so unless this incorrect interpretation of the 14th amendment is overturned.
In the name of free speech, for example ,the Supreme Court overturned a Vermont law requiring the labeling of all products containing bovine growth hormone. Does this seem right to you? Do you believe in capitalism where customers can make informed choices?
4th ammendment rights have also been granted to corporations which makes
7th ammendment rights – trial by jury in civil cases.
*5th Amendment �??takings clause�?? – �??..nor shall
private property be taken for public use, without just
compensation.�?? A regulation is deemed a takings.
But the worst in my opinion is the numerous judicial decisions regarding corporate free speech. The bovine growth hormone is one example, but there are many others.
A judge recently struck down a law that prevented pharmaceutical corporations from finding out what drugs doctors were prescribing to their patients. This protects doctors from harassment and protects patient privacy. But in the name of corporate free speech, this was overturned. Does this really seem fair to you?
How would you feel if in the name of free speech, all laws requiring labeling of food products were overturned?
[quote]Gael wrote:
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How would you feel if in the name of free speech, all laws requiring labeling of food products were overturned?
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Free speech? Show me the ruling. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with labeling.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
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How would you feel if in the name of free speech, all laws requiring labeling of food products were overturned?
Free speech? Show me the ruling. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with labeling.[/quote]
International Dairy Foods Association v. Amestoy [1996]
I agree – freedom of speech should not have anything to do with labeling.
[quote]Gael wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gael wrote:
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How would you feel if in the name of free speech, all laws requiring labeling of food products were overturned?
Free speech? Show me the ruling. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with labeling.
International Dairy Foods Association v. Amestoy [1996]
I agree – freedom of speech should not have anything to do with labeling.[/quote]
Another case of a ridiculous court ruling.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.[/quote]
Why?
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.
Why?[/quote]
Why should the stockholders of Exxon pay more than its share for clean up? Why did the local residents think they could use the money to retire with?
Don’t you get fair use by buying gas? Aren’t you willing to share the risk of drilling/refining/transporting it?
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.
Why?[/quote]
That money was to go to people, whose income was diminished because of the spill.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.
Why?
That money was to go to people, whose income was diminished because of the spill.
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They got plenty of money. The original settlement was ridiculously high and people were going to retire on it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I think if you buy Exxon gas you should be liable for spill clean up.
Why?
That money was to go to people, whose income was diminished because of the spill.
They got plenty of money. The original settlement was ridiculously high and people were going to retire on it. [/quote]
I believe that the majority of the money was a fine paid to the Government
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Why should the stockholders of Exxon pay more than its share for clean up? Why did the local residents think they could use the money to retire with?
Don’t you get fair use by buying gas? Aren’t you willing to share the risk of drilling/refining/transporting it?[/quote]
Perhaps governments should simply socialize corporations such as this, so public taxpayers can pay the costs of their business fiascos.