https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/608719/
Attempted predictions article.
Why do you hate America?!? Love it or leave it! Iâll be damned if Coronavirus keeps me from sitting back and letting someone criticize us without fighting back. Abraham Lincoln didnât kill Hitler with his bare hands so punks like you could pretend we have ever done anything nefarious.
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Stop-and-frisk wasnât deemed unconstitutional; the way NYPD used it was. If anything, the Terry v. Ohio decision should have drawn protest. It seems Americans tend to be okay with capturing actual criminals; most gun owners are not criminals at this time.
If gun ownership were outlawed, Iâd fully expect most Americans to be okay with it after a period of time.
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So⊠Are you pro authoritarianism? Just curious as to where people stand regarding authoritative regimes.
Think a system in place similar to that of China/Russia
I 'merica just a hard as anybody. In fact, I donât think itâs even a proper mericanization until somebody yells âWrong Hole!â.
Twice!
Those are pretty big shiny words. Especially ghat last one. (you can sprinkle that with commas and stuff as you see fit.)
You think your better than me!?! 
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No. Well, I favor an absolute right to secede. Iâm not sure whether an authority that permits secession could be deemed âauthoritarian.â
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/27/world/middleeast/ap-ml-virus-outbreak-iran-a-deadly-drink.html
TEHRAN, Iran â Standing over the still body of an intubated 5-year-old boy wearing nothing but a plastic diaper, an Iranian health care worker in a hazmat suit and mask begged the public for just one thing: Stop drinking industrial alcohol over fears about the new coronavirus.
The boy, now blind after his parents gave him toxic methanol in the mistaken belief it protects against the virus, is just one of hundreds of victims of an epidemic inside the pandemic now gripping Iran.
Iranian media report nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened so far by ingesting methanol across the Islamic Republic, where drinking alcohol is banned and where those who do rely on bootleggers. An Iranian doctor helping the countryâs Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.
Of all the resources lacking in the Covid-19 pandemic, the one most desperately needed in the United States is a unified national strategy, as well as the confident, coherent and consistent leadership to see it carried out. The country cannot go from one mixed-message news briefing to the next, and from tweet to tweet, to define policy priorities. It needs a science-based plan that looks to the future rather than merely reacting to latest turn in the crisis.
Letâs get one thing straight: From an epidemiological perspective, the current debate, which pits human life against long-term economics, presents a false choice. Just as a return to even a new normal is unthinkable for the foreseeable future â and well past Easter, Mr. Trump â a complete shutdown and shelter-in-place strategy cannot last for months. There are just too many essential workers in our intertwined lives beyond the health care field â sanitation workers; grocery clerks, and food handlers, preparers and deliverers; elevator mechanics; postal workers â who must be out and about if society is to continue to function.
A middle-ground approach is the only realistic one â and defining what that looks like means doing our best to keep all such workers safe. It also means leadership. Above all, it means being realistic about what is possible and what is not, and communicating that clearly to the American public.
When leaders tell the truth about even near-desperate situations, when they lay out a clear and understandable vision, the public might remain frightened, but it will act rationally and actively participate in the preservation of its safety and security.
Our leaders need to begin by stating a number of hard truths about our situation. The first is that no matter what we do at this stage, numerous hospitals in the United States will be overrun. Many people, including health care workers, will get sick and some will die. And the economy will tank. Itâs too late to change any of this now.
In three to four weeks, there will be a major shortage of chemical reagents for coronavirus testing, the result of limited production capacity, compounded by the collapse of global supply chains when the epidemic closed down manufacturing in China for weeks.
The second hard truth is that at this stage, any public health response that counts on widespread testing in the United States is doomed to fail. No one planned on the whole world experiencing a health conflagration of this magnitude at once, with the need to test many millions of people at the same time. Political leaders and talking heads should stop proffering the widespread-testing option; it simply wonât be available.
Much better, instead, to immediately gear up for epidemic intelligence, based on techniques used for many decades. Among those is so-called illness surveillance, in which epidemiologists survey a sample of doctorsâ offices in a given geographic region each day to learn how many patients sought care for illnesses with symptoms of fever, cough and muscle aches. The increasing or decreasing occurrence of patients with these symptoms provides a reliable estimate of influenza activity during the winter months â or now, the incidence of Covid-19.
A third hard truth is that shortages of personal protective equipment â particularly N-95 masks â for health care workers will only get worse in the United States as global need continues to rise precipitously. There is no point holding out the false hope that the Defense Production Act will save the residents of the United States. Not enough manufacturing activities can be converted to produce masks in a matter of weeks. You canât turn engine-making machinery into an N-95 respirator assembly line just because you want to.
For example, even as 3M was producing at 100 percent of its capacity (35 million N-95 masks a month), a single hospital in New York City used up more than two million masks in February, before the surge in Covid-19 cases there. And new production wonât happen for many months.
If you canât make nearly enough masks to meet the need, then you must conserve the masks you can make. Unfortunately, some hospitals in the United States are not employing science-based methods for conserving these invaluable lifesaving masks.
Making ventilators â machines that breathe for patients who cannot effectively do so on their own â poses an even more formidable challenge. For example, a Medtronic ventilator has about 1,500 parts, supplied by 14 separate countries. More machines might, at best, be manufactured by the hundreds a month â but not by the thousands, as is needed right now.
It is precisely in the face of such hard truths that a national strategy and leadership are crucial. Otherwise, hospitals, governors and politicians will only vie against one another in the reasonable service of their own constituencies.
âRespirators, ventilators, all of the equipment â try getting it yourselves,â Mr. Trump said on a recent conference call with governors. âWe will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.â
This is exactly the wrong message. The White House must take charge, keeping track of national inventory, purchasing the precious resources and distributing them where they are most needed at the moment. As Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, has suggested, ventilators could then be redistributed as outbreak hot spots shift around the country.
More than anything, what the United States needs right now is for the president to undertake an intellectual Manhattan Project: gather the best minds in public health, medicine, medical ethics, catastrophe preparedness and response; political leadership; and private-sector manufacturing and the pharmaceutical industry.
It took nearly three years to develop the atomic bomb. The effort against Covid-19 will need to be bear fruit within days â and come up with a comprehensive but realistic blueprint for getting America through the next 12 to 18 months, or however long it takes for a vaccine to become widely available or herd immunity to take hold in the population. Once a plan has been devised, the president will have to dispense with any happy talk and instead actually convey what the experts are telling him. He will have to define the new normal for a frightened nation that is looking for facts, direction and a common purpose.
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If people can get this stuff multiple times, what good is a vaccine?
This is a big misconception, people with weak immune systems can get infected multiple times with any virus, not just this one.
A doctor from the Chinese Health Commission warns that certain recovered coronavirus patients might be prone to reinfection. However, before you panic, itâs worth stressing that this risk of relapse is true of any infection, not a unique feature of the current coronavirus outbreak.
âThe antibody will be generated; however, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long,â
I know this is different than the flu, but I think studies on flu vaccinations, even in patients who got the strain of flu they were vaccinated against, can answer this:
" Some people who get vaccinated may still get sick. However, flu vaccination has been shown in some studies to reduce severity of illness in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. A 2017 study showed that flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized adults with flu. Another study in 2018 showed that a vaccinated adult who was hospitalized with flu was 59 percent less likely to be admitted to the ICU than someone who had not been vaccinated. Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated."
Perhaps this is different enough from the flu that all of this is inapplicable, and if so, Iâd invite someone more knowledgeable than me to point that out. But I think, once again, if this was as cut-and-dry as âyou can get it again, no point in doing a vaccineâ, that we wouldnât have experts still working on the vaccine.
Sounds like the CDC admits that the flu vaccines donât work.
I know several people who have to get the flu shot every year for work but get sick each time. The doctors say that itâs because you were already infected prior to getting vaccinated, but how does this happen every single year to so many people? One guy said he took it for years and always got sick and then stopped,never got the flu again.
Thatâs what I thought.
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For fucks sake did you even read the article?
âAn annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to help protect against flu.â
Have they (or anyone with a medical degree) stated that flu vaccines make it impossible to become ill?
And weâre back to anecdotal n=1 stuff. My grandma smoked and drank a ton throughout her life and was sedentary. She died 9 years after my grandpa who did none of those things. I can only conclude that smoking, drinking, and limiting movement is the key to longevity.
Thatâs why we are being forced to stay at home, right?
I donât know what you mean by this. Anecdotal evidence is largely irrelevant to most discussions on this forum, but you often resort to âI knew a guyâŠâ
I mentioned several cases, and you just want to focus on the part relating to one in particular. A lot of people report getting sick with the flu after getting a flu shot, and it is always dismissed by doctors as them already being infected before getting the shot. I work in a healthcare facility, its not one or two cases.
Why do you love to argue so much?
I really donât. I just canât have a hard time not responding to demonstratively false statements.
The CDC never admitted flu vaccines donât work. You said it sounds like they did. A demonstrably false statement. Proven in the very article you talked about that was linked. As I said I donât think anyone has ever made the argument that any vaccine is 100% guaranteed to stop all illnesses.
Sounds like, knew some folk, from where Iâm sittingâŠtypically these statements are pretty weak.
They admit that it provides limited protection, and I added the fact that a lot of people get sick from the shot itself.
And no, of course they arenât actually saying it doesnât work. That should be obvious.
If this is the case why would you say sounds like the CDC is admitting flu vaccines donât work? You either didnât read the article (highly likely) or you are unable to comprehend simple pieces from it.
âAn annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to help protect against flu.â
âWhile influenza vaccine varies in how well it works, every season influenza vaccines prevent millions of influenza illnesses, tens of thousands of hospitalizations and thousands of deaths.â
How can you read (Iâm doubtful you did) those statements and conclude that it sounds like the CDC is admitting they donât work? Then turn around and say âwell of course they arenât saying what I said they admitted!â