Coronavirus - What Happened?

america top rank of coronavirus, easy to guess that even 3 month before, soon a tsunami in your country

Arguably this should be an impeachable offence no?

The US government is built upon the grounds of democracy, not totalitarian authoritarianism. The president has no right to demand unwavering loyalty from states of which may harbour differing political ideologies… Furthermore refusing to provide materials that will save thousands of lives on the basis of ā€œthey didn’t speak positively about my botched response to this pandemicā€ should be considered abuse of power.

MSNBC and CNN are very biased news sources, FOX News on the other hand is a smooth, centralized, coordinated propaganda machine identical to Russian state TV.

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With our current Senate?

Why bother?

This.

With the people who support him? The less educated (and you can have a college degree and not be educated) and powerless a person is, the more appealing an authoritarian government is.

That is as close as anybody has ever come to admitting that here.

Thank you. Sincerely.

Russia, Russia, Russia.

It seems like they only became a threat onc Hillary was done doing business with them. What is our trade ballance with them at this point?

Hmm…
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

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That is as close as anybody has ever come to admitting that here.

Thank you. Sincerely.

I don’t understand the logic/opinion conveyed here. Are you referring to an authoritarian regime under Donald Trump being appealing or the notion of authoritarianism being appealing as a means to control the uneducated/ill-informed?

No judgement from me. Personally I very, very rarely advocate for an authoritative approach… however with a particularly dim-witted populace (referring to Aus now, I can’t speak for America given I don’t live there anymore) it appears the only way to contain the spread might be to force citizens into quarantine.

In America this probably wouldn’t work given the high prevalence of gun ownership, things could get very messy… In Australia on the other hand… harshly enforcing mandated quarantine for the entire populace given the severity of the situation would likely be rather effective (in my uneducated opinion). Things would theoretically go back to normal once the spread has been contained.

Furthermore are you talking about being educated within a political sense? If so, I’d agree…

The term ā€œeducatedā€ is subjective. I know a bit about fixing computers/virus removal… but this pertains to computers manufactured by Microsoft… I know jack shit about Apple products. I can navigate/use a MacBook (I have one as my school was picky about the laptops we had), but I find them rather irritating to use given I grew up on windows XP, windows 7-8-10 etc.

What I’m saying is simple minded people find an authority figure appealing. Someone to whom they can defer responsibility and morality. Real freedom is hard. And why do you assume that all of these gun owners wouldn’t support an authoritarian government?

Perhaps worldly would be a better word than educated. Education doesn’t only come from the classroom but from real world experience. By real world I don’t mean your neighborhood but a variety of experiences in different places with different people.

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Interesting Twitter Thread by Nicholas Christakis

I suppose it pertains to the policies enacted by said government. Ethically I have problems with authoritarian regimes. Firstly, extensive restrictions imposed at the government’s will upon citizens/particular parties of interest can infringe upon basic human rights… The concept of ā€œfreedom of speechā€ would probably be chucked out. Secondly, if I take a look at current government’s one could consider ā€œhighly authoritarianā€ in nature I look at Central African Republic, China, Russia, North Korea etc I see systemic discrimination imposed upon X demographic dictated at the government’s will, countless human rights violations, political suppression etc… I simply don’t see the upside

Most of all, if such a regime suddenly decides ā€œno more guns, these aren’t allowed anymoreā€, the outcome will be very, very messy.

Within authoritarian regimes, the general popualce typically has no say regarding what policies are enacted.

NYC had stop and frisk; something that in practice targeted minorities. It was ruled unconstitutional. There was no massive march on nyc by freedom loving gun owners to protect the rights of their fellow citizens. Trump supports stop and frisk, again, something unconstitutional, and it didn’t stop him from getting elected.

In my opinion stop and Frisk is unconstitutional/a violation of civil liberties if just cause isn’t indicated for said frisk (suspicion of firearm/explosives possession). It also statistically disproportionately targets/profiles minorities

You should see what they do in NSW here… It’s stop, take off all you’re clothes, a very ā€œthoroughā€ search etc

As to ā€œworldlyā€ā€¦ I suppose one could call me worldly… I’ve been like… Everywhere, travelled solo (or without adult supervision) numerous times, lived in two countries, many different houses etc.

I have some semblance of a life in Europe, the US, and Aus, if I were to travel to numerous European continents, the US or one continent in the middle East I’d have somewhere to stay (family/friends)… for that I am greatful

I’ve been exposed to numerous different cultures and the dynamics behind said cultures. Hence I get irritated when people say (in real life, and like… Once on here) ā€œbut you couldn’t possibly understand gun culture.ā€ Or ā€œsociety would collapse if X was implimentedā€ā€¦ Societies do exist with universal healthcare, drug legalisation, legalised prostitution etc… For all three variables the sky seemingly hasn’t fallen… I lived in the US for six years, I shot some massive fucking guns (had a friend whose father collected all sorts of firearms)…

Being worldly can help one have a better grasping regarding societal implications as the result of various enacted policies/sociocultural normalities… But in terms of political education, unless you’re studying the politicians/politics present within each country I don’t think it has much carryover.

I couldn’t tell you anything about politics in Spain/Morocco, yet I’ve been to both countries. Nor does Moroccan politics relate to the current situation in America. I don’t think being worldly correlates with whether one supports authoritarian regimes or not… Political education MIGHT (those educated can still be in favour of societal/political authoritarianism)

As a generalisation, plenty of worldly people are still profoundly ignorant and/or politically uneducated. Transversing continental plains doesn’t automatically make one cater towards a differing style of political leadership. Plenty travel for the sole basis of having a good time/non-stop partying… These men/women probably aren’t paying all that much attention to the cultural/political dynamics present in X country.

This has nothing to do with authoritarian regimes… The ramifications of having an authoritarian regime in power in my opinion outweighs the benefits.

You’re looking at a practice that was deemed unconstitutional and thus scrapped… Do you think it would’ve been scrapped under the rule of an authoritarian government? As a matter of fact they could probably mandate and enforce ā€œstrip searches for allā€ prior to entering you’re front door (obvious exaggeration).

When people don’t have a say regarding political/societal policy… The chance for extensive detriment to the populace is very high (in my opinion).

Educated or not, public opinion needs to be heard and carefully considered prior to enacting/implementing new policy.

Yes, unlike some aspects of the personality cult resemble North Korea more. Seriously.

Do you know how a news cycle on Russia state TV looks like?

Step 1: A new, devious conspiracy plan by the globalists (Jews)/Western liberals/Soros/gays/feminists/enviromentalists/Ukrainians/Poles/Jehova’s Witnesses to destroy Russia and President Putin.

Step 2: Talking heads and selected politicians in the studio whip up the anger, disgust, even despair that actual human beings could even attempt such acts of unfathomable evil only to destroy the accomplishments of timeless Russia and the President. Everyone on TV openly wonders what irrational anger pushed these monsters into such depths of depravity.

Step 3: Once hysteria reaches fever pitch, it is suddenly revealed to the audience that President Putin personally organized and carried out a masterful counterstroke, thwarting the enemy plans - the Ukrainian saboteurs were arrested, the Jehova’s Witnesses who wanted the poison the souls of Russian people were dealt with, whomever is the villain du jour.

Step 4: A TV roundtable is organized as a sounding board where future enemy plans will be discussed. How will Soros and HRC try to infect kindergartens in Russia with Covid-19? What is the role of gay Hollywood producers in spreading the virus?

Step 5: After an exhausting day, a charismatic TV pundit (usually Dmitry Kiselyov) will present the ā€œfacts of dayā€ using pseudoscientific language and dissect another failed attempt to destroy the fabric of Russian society, expressing hope that the implacable enemies of Russia and Putin will understand that their implacable and irrational hatred cannot weave the people of Russia from their President.

Does this blueprint sound familiar?

Everyone who lived through communism sees Fox News as Soviet propaganda only with much better production value. As the former President of Estonia stated:

I’m pretty sure I know what it looks like.

What concerns me is who pioneered and perfected it?

That and the trillions of dollars in trade we continue to engage in with this big bad wolf.

And I do understand, they are big, they are bad, and they are wolves.

Just don’t try to bullshit around the facts that we have been engaged and continue to engage in all sorts of mutually advantageous trade, along with the rest of the world.

Because we are also pretty damn big, bad, and very wolf like ourselves.

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Walter Lippman in the 1920s, but the Fox News-like blend of politics and entertainment was perfected by these two guys in the late 90ies and first years of 2000s, picked up by Fox News around 2004-05.

I’m talking about people. There wasn’t a massive march on NYC to protect the Constitution.

Stop and Frisk is typically unjust in my opinion. Detaining and prosecuting people for minute, small quantities of drugs is statistically counterproductive… But you can’t compare stop and Frisk, public response to it with the crimes against humanity legitimately committed by many of these authoritarian regimes

You’ve given me an argument stating the public didn’t push back following mild infringement upon human rights (and I’d be willing to bet pushback would occur if stop/frisk was to be reinstated within NYC)… This pales in comparison to say… cultural genocide/organ harvesting of uyghur Muslims

Whether the public pushes back is dependent on how high said issue is on the agenda of said populace. More than two thirds of Americans support the legalisation of recreational cannabis, yet Joe Biden, Donald Trump don’t support this (Donald Trump seemingly supports taking away funding/protective rights of state mandated medicinal marijuana programs). Whilst it goes against the grain of public belief, the issue isn’t high enough on the agenda of the avg citizen… Hence minimal public backlash/commenting has occured.

Same can be said about stop and Frisk… For the avg citizen it probably didn’t weigh on their minds. Had the stop and Frisk been ā€œstop, kneel down and cop a gunshot point blank to the back of you’re head, execution styleā€ public backlash/rioting would most certainly occur.