You can still go outside for a walk or bike ride as long as you keep your distance from other people. As long as sidewalks aren’t crowded it’s not a problem. Parties are obviously not a good idea though.
There are other countries with less gun and a lot more murders, I wouldn’t get too worked up about this. You can kill people with other objects that people have in their houses, like knives,axes, blunt objects.
You see what I’m saying about an exit plan right? Something needs to be figure out or else we are going to turn the planet into a prison colony.
Nah, most of the imported cases are locals who were either travelling or studying abroad. They rushed back home when the other countries went into lockdown.
We don’t need a giant outbreak of MRSA or something because people want a fast solution right now.
On thing I’m absolutely certain of is that the rules are written in blood. If there is a rule, standard or law that applies to these, it’s because at least a couple of people have died.
This is already bad. Making it worse by poorly thought action would be, well, worse.
That would make the most sense. They’d basically be come a job shop.
Back to the safety…
You can’t make devices that kill people anymore.
You just can’t. Unless you want to make a lot of families and attorneys rich in the process.
I’ve seen this dance before. Hurry hurry turned a place I worked into a literal blood bath. Mistakes get made and people pay with lives.
You’re just jealous because we did 2.2 trillion. I think (I could be wrong) that Germany is the next highest with 1.1 trillion. No one outspends us! If this goes on another month we will unleash a giga billion trillion on your asses! We are prepared to give a trillion to each S&P 500 company. No strings! Strings are for socialists!
I’ll take a ventilator that fails 10% of the time over no ventilator if it comes down to it. The fact of the matter is that the ventilators invented by Bird in 1955 were effective and safe.
We will see what happens, but if it comes down to 1 ventilator and 100 people waiting to get one (who many of will die without it), I say screw FDA guidance. It does not take a year of testing to have a good idea if this device will kill more than it cures (especially with something as understood as a ventilator).
I in no way endorse half assed medical devices normally. It is just that a ventilator is 50s tech, and if we can eliminate the bells and whistles to crank them out and they are mostly effective I say we should do it. If 100 people die because of flaws, but 1000 are saved that is a win.
Is that enforced by law, or a generic recommendation? You can’t expect people to follow a guideline just because it’s recommended. If it’s strictly forbidden and people gathering is persecuted by law, that’s a good deterrent. Otherwise, you can bet it only works on a portion of the population.
Look man… whatever floats your boat.
You’re entirely missing the point. You’re comparing criminality statistics in other countries forgetting that people with a criminal lifestyle PLAN to carry weapons for the specific reason to threaten, injure and kill other people. It’s a deliberate choice dictated by their intentions.
What I’m talking about is common people with no criminal intent on their side until they’re pulled out of their usual lifestyle, welfare and balance.
Guns are a much more immediate tool during a rampage and in those “going over the edge” moments when tension builds up and people reach boiling point.
A bullet to the brain is a much easier and painless way to suicide than stabbing yourself to death multiple times.
As is shooting someone in an argument out of a temporary moment of blur and adrenaline aggravated by a situation like this.
Then again, you can disregard this scenario entirely. I could scroll in this thread going back just a few weeks from now and quote all the “yeah but it wouldn’t happen here” and “yeah that happens there but not here” posts before music changed and everything became “oh in hindsight, it DOES happen here too”.
It’s always like that until shit hits the fan and reality hits people in their face. And it hits hard.
It’s no different. I thought people here were losing their cool a bit too much when I went to the supermarket and saw people arguing over trivial stuff, and an overall aura of nervosism, but let me say that we didn’t have brawls here or violent reactions in general.
We didn’t throw hands over toilet paper for sure, we didn’t buy stocks and stocks of stuff and fought and emptied shelves, not at the start of this mess and not at the moment. What I did see, tho, is this behavior in other countries, and speaks volumes on what to expect.
Rumor here is that the food chain is slowing down, I could see people getting violent over food here if that really happens, but I’d expect fights and brawls. Expecting people that can freely walk around with guns to shoot each other over food? Yeah, I’d expect that 100%.
Or going overboard by “punishing” whatever unavoidable witch hunt victim designated by mass hysteria? That too.
Hopefully, it doesn’t happen, but I wouldn’t ignore the chance so lightly.
It’s not just the health and economy state of things, it’s social too. Right now, one of our sure failures here in Italy is that we haven’t been able to really make the situation socially sustainable so far.
So I’m not talking from my high tower where everything is perfect and around the clock, quite the opposite. So far, everything in the US and other countries played out exactly like it did here.
Literally everything - from the comparison between the virus and normal flu, people not taking it seriously, then people rushing to the supermarkets, people enjoying their days at the sea, at parties or whatelse, then the numbers start to creep up quickly, hospitals are overwhelmed, people start doing some maths about hospital beds and ICUs and rightfully shit themselves and so on.
It’s like watching a movie again after a month.
As a side note, since we’re talking about guns in domestic violence and unplanned rampages. Here, pretty much nobody owns a gun. Not even the army members are allowed to bring home their guns. Only ones who are allowed are the guys from our military police. We do have our cases. Sometimes they kill their spouse, often they also kill themselves, and sometimes they kill their children too.
They could use knives, hammers, bare hands or whatever else, but guess what they use 100% of the time?
That’s right, their gun.
So a couple drinks fish tank cleaner and blame the President… But wait, there is more, the media believes them and props up their story.
“I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, ‘Hey, isn’t that the stuff they’re talking about on TV?’ ” the wife, who was not named, told the network. “We were afraid of getting sick.”
“The couple reportedly poured some of the fish tank cleaning chemical, chloroquine phosphate, into soda and drank it. They hoped it would stave off a coronavirus infection.”
What do you mean read the article? I prefer to read headlines and then fill in the article with whatever fills my head like I’m doing a mad lib.
Expecting Pat to read before he jumps to conclusions? You know better than that.
Pat has no reason to automatically say that the guy who advocated for experimental drug use by people is the reason this happened. Nor do we know if this couple listened to the guy who had to say hold your horses to the President.
“My job is to ultimately prove, without a doubt, that a drug is not only safe but that it actually works.”
For Pat to just assume he is to blame is nuts. He typically doesn’t jump to those conclusions with the President.
We would have to be unless testing becomes such an issue we can’t confirm them. We are slowly starting to see this sprinkle into rural areas some of which don’t have a hospital bed.
