You can’t beat logic like that.
My wife thinks I’m crazy, which is a whole other thing–but a few weeks ago I went on an IRL rant about how no matter what you do, what precautions are taken, how many of the best minds toil…
Stupidity always wins.
Always.
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_17_marzo-v2.pdf
here you can find such information under the paragraph named patologie pre-esistenti
the common denominator is conditions that affect the lungs. pneumonia, cancer, whatever.
most notably out of a sample of 355 people that died with coronavirus, 3 of them (0.8%) didn’t have any of the conditions listed in the report, 89 (25.1%) had 1 of them, 91 (25.6%) had 2, 172 (48.5%) had 3 or more. this is something to consider about what the real risk of dying from the virus is.
a guy was arrested today because he went to a grocery shop, took his mask off, and started spitting and coughing on vegetables and fruit.
edit: apparently also took a video of himself
“let’s infect” is the caption to the video
Dieci anni nel prigione basterebbe.
magari…
technically speaking, the crime of “epidemy” equals life imprisonment in italy. practically speaking, it’s highly, highly unlikely he’ll even serve time at all.
btw, ever been to italy? asking so because the comments about italy i saw from you make it look like you know about the country
And yet, thousands of people have been infected here.
I’m roughly 20 mins from Friuli-Venezia Giulia and before the apocalypse I’d go literally every week, especially during winter season.
I also know how to distinguish Bresciani from Bergamaschi.
Se ricordo bene, li Bergamaschi dicono “io vado a ca” e Bresciani “io vado a baita”…
Dieci? Devono tagliargli le palle.
Apparently Italy now has more cases than China.
If you believe china’s numbers.
That’s why I say “apparently”.
Putting this here to keep the other thread more focused on what it was designed for. I think this is a very important thing to think about and discuss. We are going to reach a point at some time (we can all argue about when) where the negatives may outweigh the benefits of staying largely isolated.
For the most part to me the economic pain has already happened and will continue to the foreseeable future. If tomorrow they say hey everyone come back out to play most people aren’t doing that. Cruises, casinos, movie theaters, etc aren’t going back to normal overnight. I’m avoiding crowds still if that is said tomorrow. At least to the best of my abilities. I won’t be going to concerts which I love doing. I’m guessing sporting events continue to hold off for a good while. Even if they start soon how long before sellouts?
Since we’re in a position where that economic pain is already happening AND an all clear today won’t cease that I’m much more inclined to err on the side of caution here. We don’t get to jump right back into good stuff. So for now to me the gamble of let’s not let this get its hooks in much deeper is the smart play. As of today things are bad but to me they could potentially be far worse. When to stop is a discussion worth having as this thing goes on. Stop right now because it’s hurting the economy seems pretty short sighted and ignores the potential that stopping isnt long term far worse for the economy.
“You know what this doing to the economy” is a valid point. But one also needs to carefully weigh what taking this incredibly might do the economy. It’s easy and understandable to look at the short term and worry. That’s pretty much what humans do and we’re really shitty at thinking about long term effects. It’s why we eat shit, drink, smoke, etc. We’re not good on the whole at thinking about the future and having a little pain now to stave off pain in the future.
Another question is whether the way the government(s) is handling things from an economic perspective with bailouts and such is the right way to go. I know next to nothing about this stuff, but here is one point of view:
Trump is right. You are going to sacrifice for the government actions surrounding the coronavirus. What he’s not telling you is it’s going to hurt.
The government and central bank response to the economic crisis precipitated by coronavirus are creating the perfect storm for price inflation. The problem isn’t a lack of money. It’s a lack of stuff. We’re all sitting at home and a lot of us aren’t producing anything. Uncle Sam can stuff our mailboxes with checks. That money doesn’t do us a damn bit of good if there is nothing to buy.
The end result will be a lot more dollars chasing a lot fewer goods. That means prices will go up.
When inflation heats up, interest rates rise. That’s the proper response. How exactly is that going to work in a world up to its eyeballs in debt?
This is why Schiff keeps saying we’re on the path to a dollar crisis.
How much of what we buy, do we need? Maybe the real problem is an economy based on selling crap we don’t really need.
How many people eat out when they should probably cook for themselves? Buy coffee at Starbucks or wherever instead of making it at home? Movies? Ticket prices go up and quality goes down.
In realtà non ne ho idea ahahah
I just can’t ever seem to remember all of those dialectal and regional nuances.
I can tell most regions apart, but when it comes to cities that aren’t very far apart, yeah you better ask someone else haha.
Agreed. Certa gente non deve riprodursi e mettere al mondo altra gente col proprio DNA.
I don’t know. I would have, too. What I take from it is that large numbers of people were already likely close to death , but we’re attributing their deaths to this.
Man, I don’t really know what else to say.
I totally understand the “yes but not me” mentality, it’s normal, you expect things happens there and not here and makes you feel safer.
Those means of spreading are far, far low in the list of risky factors.
I could tell you that the outbreak here was in northern Italy, you can think of it as the cold industrial heart of the country. People here are not warm and touchy, there is social distancing by default. Lifestyle is entirely different in the north than in the south.
If it makes you feel better, think that you’re sheltered by your wrong notion of sociality in another country, but it’s a delusion.
Just look at the numbers in Germany, France, UK, are they all touchy too?
They had the chance to notice the outbreak here in Italy weeks ahead AND they’re testing less than Italy, yet their numbers are spiking too.
For fuck’s sake, look at the numbers in Spain, today it went totally ballistic, it’s climbing at a speed that’s even worse than the original outbreak here in Italy.
And the same can be said about the US.
Italy was the first in Europe, and acted slowly to boot. Other countries in Europe and the US, they had more room to prepare and wasted their chance, making the same mistakes we did - allowing masses to gather, procrastinating on social distancing by keeping schools open, sports event going and so on.
This is what guarantees a quick spread, delay in action. Exactly like the delay by chinese gov in disclosing the situation back in October allowed this virus to spread all over the globe.
Really just trying to warn you not to dismiss the speed of infection of this thing.
11/10, promosso mio gnaro
The “standard” influenza (the diagnosed one, not the generic “i caught a cold, have some fever, gonna sleep a couple hours” one) can be deadly to those with chronic asthma, by default.
Yes, Coronavirus IS deadly if you have lung or respiratory issues already.
It’s just that those patologies are less frequent than the other ones listed there, like diabetes or high pressure. Which is not a good new.
I don’t know how to stress it out any further - people here get worse, and IT GETS WORSE, to the point they can barely breath. This happens to the younger population too, not the geriatric only, about 20% of positives manifest severe symptoms like this, and there’s a good slice of them in the 40-50 age range.
People with pre existing patologies, including lung/breathing issues, literally choke to death.
I don’t think there’s any simpler and clearer way to put it.
You’re taking home the wrong point. Unless you mean “people that could live another 10-20 years” as “being already close to death”.
Admittedly, we pretty much did the same thing here when the virus first spread in China.
