Why would anyone listen to you, an engineer, over a doctor who actually treats Covid patients?
True. But to be a physician, virologist, epidemiologist, healthcare economist, etc, one does need to go to college. And itās this sort of expertise thatās lacking in much of the commentary on this thread.
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Indeed. But only scientists are qualified to debate science. And even then, they must āstay in their lane,ā ie, debating only those topics about which they can reasonably claim expertise. The rest of us would be well-served by allowing those truly expert to develop a consensus scientific opinion, and basing our decisions thereupon.
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Not one of those is mentioned in the podcast. This is the equivalent of calling someone a nazi or a racist. It is just a way to shut down conversation and paint the other in a negative light. āOh, you are against mandates? You must be a crazy conspiracy theorist that believes in lizard peopleā.
And I have presented a scientist as an argument, talking for 3 hours. The dude is a legit doctor and has an impressive CV. I only asked him to listen to this doctors point of view, then we can argue.
Donāt tell me we are not allowed to argue in a body building forum. We are not after all arguining in a journal or via studies. We are merely discussing a topic that influences our everyday life. We are just people. I find it ridiculous that he wants to shut down any debate. You are also trying to shut down comments and debates. This is not how it is done. We need debates. If society is debating, then we force our politicians and scientists to debate. If society is just following we are forcing politicians into a totalitarian regimes, and scientists in power to do what they want, because nobody is questioning them. We need questions, we need answers.
As I explained I was very pro vax before. I was lecturing boys during Alfa, that Covid is not going to end, if everybody does not vaccinate. But I didnāt not know anything about the vaccine. Right now I am not going to recommend to any young boy on that soccer field where we gather to play pick up football to vaccinate.
That is for sure. Who the hell really knows? Even the so-called experts are all over the spectrum and it seems pretty clear to me they donāt even know what they are talking about.
I do know this much:
- Itās a bad disease and I donāt want it. But itās not as deadly as some people seemed to hope it would be. Itās not so deadly that we cannot live with it and deal.
- The measures put in place do not work, yet they keep trying them.
- Its really not about the virus, I think that is pretty transparent by this point. And anybody who believes that it really is, is deluding themselves. If it really were about the virus, they would actually be focused on it, instead of trying to micromanage the population at largeās behavior.
- Itās here forever. Itās now part of our lives going forward.
- Far fewer people suffer and die from resistance than compliance.
These are the things I have high certainty of regarding this shit. And I am sick to death of strangers walking around thinking they can tell me how to live my life and what to do. I will violate every covid bullshit rule as much as I possibly can.
Speaking for myself, a 3-hr listen is a big ask for a casual internet conversation.
Argue about what, exactly? Both of you lack the expertise needed to evaluate anything but the broadest data-based claims.
On the other hand, this is something about which lay people can form a defensible opinion: What a specific individualās credentials and associations indicate vis a vis their value as a source of information.
Yeah they should just ask the virus nicely to stop.
No, they really arenāt. The medical consensus regarding covid is broad and deep. Now, does every expert agree with every other expert about everything? Of course not.
I know what you mean. It seems pretty clear to me that physicists donāt know what theyāre talking about. Time slowing down? Quarks? Strings? Ridiculous, donāt you think?
That would be more effective.
Not if it takes this same twatish attitude.
Which one do you reckon is a physicist? And what does quantum mechanics have to do with covid? Is covid possibly spreading according to changes in the magnetic field? And string theory is so 2000ās. Itās out of fashion didnāt you hear? Thatās whole 10 dimensional reality thing didnāt parse out when tested at CERN. So it and itās ugly bitch sister, m-theory are on the ropes fighting for their lives.
Oh wait, so because some physicists are smart, that means government bureaucrats are therefore competent and not silly reality TV stars? And hence, we really should stay locked up in our houses and look like idiots with paper on our faces that doesnāt do shit but fog up glasses? And take 20 injections like mindless robots as they continually move the goal posts? Thatās you argument? Thatās really what you want to go with?
Whoosh.
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You got 20? Bastard! You must be the reason I couldnāt get more than 15.
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Youāre a doorman? Cool. I too used to work the door in a bar.
I also didnāt need a degree to open doors.
I did need to open doors to be able to afford getting a degree. Talk about a mindfuck, huh?
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They corrected the post:
I know this sounds absurd but itās been speculated in my region quite a bit over the last few months:
The truth lies in the middle, as usual:
(dudeās mom was fine, he says why not, he had bad reaction to 2nd shot, gets fubar treatment in hospital)
As a N=1 real life anecdote, heard about a smart, well-credentialed medical researcher dude who is not getting a booster (doesnāt see patients, so not āforcedā to). Did some quick googling, found this:
"HMS: Are COVID-19 boosters different in any way than other vaccine boosters?
ABRAHAM: For now, the same SARS-CoV-2 spike protein antigen is used for the vaccine and the boosters. However, there is the chance that, over time, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein will shape-shift or mutate enough that a booster with an updated strain antigen would be required to prime the immune system to recognize the mutant virus. This scenario would be more like what is done with the seasonal influenza virus vaccines every year, although we think more of flu vaccines as strain-matched vaccines as opposed to periodic boosters."
My .02 bro-science interpretation is that a āboosterā seems redundant.
Link to full page:
I had my covid from someone vaccinated in my office I am sure. Because that someone vaccinated later got hospitalised with myocarditis. Luckily both of US are well.
Now I am not telling that vaccines are shedding. I am only saying that I avoided as much as possible indoors, because vaxxed people thought they could not have covid and were going everywhere symptomatic of covid, spreading the virus. The science misinformation about the vaccines that was going on corporate media and governments missionformation, perhaps killed thousands of people. Vaccinated perhaps also killed thousands with their arrogance.
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