But surely you based your assertions on something, right? I know waning immunity has been proven and I also know where the stuff about “t-cell damage” is being spread but I don’t get the “decreased immunity” after getting vaccinated part. I don’t care if it’s a YouTube video or some obscure news site. Just wanna know how or where these conclusions were derived from.
Are you saying people who’ve just gotten their jabs start engaging in more risky behavior before the vaccines have begun to take effect and are more likely to get infected or something like that? What do you mean by “decreased immunity”? Lower than their normal immunity before being vaccinated or relatively lower immunity than the immunity provided by the vaccines before antibody levels peak?
Again, I’m not interested in any debates about the efficacy of the vaccines and I promise I won’t even try to debunk even opinions from such sources. Just want to know the sources.
I mistakenly tagged you instead of eyedentist last time to 2 studies. One of then was for decreased immunity after the first shot and general decreased immunity after covid vaccination. It will be easier to find it that way.
The decreased immunity comes from Alex Berenson at first and some people digging afterwards. There is no official research, besides the one I already showed, proving decreased immunity after first dose. Bust mostly people digging death, case and hospitalization numbers after a vaccination campaign, so it is literally colleration. However I am inclined and biased to think colleration equals causation when it comes to Covid vaccines, because we have been lied so much. There is a political and pharma influence behind their agenda and definitely lots of corruption
They ve made it as a strategy for vaccination now. It was before clearly criticising the low antibodies vaccines were producing and decreased immunity after the first dose. Now it says it is still better than unvaccinated.
Well sorry, mate. I am not able to follow with the updates.
Eh? I think you interpreted it differently the first time you read it. I’m pretty sure I read this study back when it was first published along with a couple of others in June or July. Which is why I wrote that some governments decided to decrease the time between shots, which would result in lower levels of antibodies after the 2nd shot, hoping that mass vaccinations would yield a better national outcome, i.e, their way out of this shit in the thread about vaccine side effects.
“In the case of single-dose recipients, our data show that NAbTs are significantly lower against B.1.617.2 and B.1.351 VOCs relative to B.1.1.7, implying that although a single dose might still afford considerably more protection than no vaccination, single-dose recipients are likely to be less protected against these SARS-CoV-2 variants. These data therefore suggest that the benefits of delaying the second dose, in terms of wider population coverage and increased individual NAbTs after the second dose, must now be weighed against decreased efficacy in the short-term, in the context of the spread of B.1.617.2. Worldwide, our data highlight the ongoing need to increase vaccine supply to allow all countries to extend second-dose protection as quickly as possible.”
In fact, I think even I brought up the part about potential government actions in @unreal24278 's “covid in Australia” thread a couple of months back when I promised that Australia would drop their “zero covid” policy and use mass vaccinations to declare covid to be endemic once a certain target was hit and then the “vaccine passports” will start or I’d send him my entire hypothetical unused stash of roids LMAO.
The point is I wouldn’t have written what I wrote previously if the study you posted claimed anything else while also observing the actions of governments in other countries at the same time,
This is because of Omicron and what will happen in the near future will depend on the data acquired. If it was still Delta, Aus would be opening up already. This is the time when politicians everywhere are covering their asses and in countries where the press is State controlled (fully or partially), they’re letting their chosen medical experts do the talking. It was the same for Delta, which is one of the reasons other than waiting for cues from the WHO we had a 2-4 week lag between taking action despite Delta appearing in my region much earlier.
The Aussie government seems to be a lot more protective of their collective asses than over here. We pulled back for a while when cases peaked and are now gradually opening up again despite Omicron.
And, no, I don’t live in a place where the government doesn’t do lots of shit like vaccine passports, limitations on public gatherings, mandatory self-testing and limitations on entry to most places unless you use a national app. If the worldometers site is accurate, we have almost double the rate of PCR testing than Australia.
I was able to find the total number of deaths and Vivid deaths by vaccination status in UK today. Something very scratchy I noticed, immediately.
Total vaccinated deaths for Jan to Sept were at around 120k. Total unvaccinated deaths at around 90k
Total covid deaths for unvaccinated at 30k, while vaccinated were at around 15k.
So in general more vaccinated people have died, but covid deaths were 1/3 of unvaccinated deaths.
I do not how to explain this but with number manipulation, or that you are more likely to die if you vaccinate lol.
However my own conclusion since vaccination rate foe the UK population is 2/3 vaccinated and 1/3 not vaccinated is that… If you were to die today you will despite vaccination status or covid. Or that vaccines kill as much as covid.
“An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.”
Table 8 you can find the totals.
Sorry I was quoting on top of my mind yesterday, so the numbers are not very accurate, but my point stands.
However the most logical explanation is hospitals do not test for covid vaccinated patients and if they die from Covid they are not reported as Covid deaths. While they test for covid all vaccinated patients and if they die, the death is attributed to Covid. I have no other explanation than sick number manipulation or incompetence here.
This guy. I just ran across this by accident. He’s a Scottish dude who works for a British news show. He sums up the covid madness very succinctly and aptly. This is madness and it needs to stop. It’s not long, but very well done. It explains my position to a T.
The fact that too many people are entirely too cozy with the idea of mistreating people on the basis of obedience to the government, scares the crap out of me. The idea of mandates, shutdowns for thee, but not for me, the ‘othering’ of people. The wishing of death or harm to come to those who choose to think for themselves and do not necessarily obey has parallels in history. None of which have led to anything other than tyranny. Must we descend into murderous tirades and wars once again to relearn the lessons that [i]recent[/] history has already taught us?
Australia is descending into chaos. These human rights violations in a ‘democracy’ is going to end badly. And the Australia won’t be fighting China over Taiwan, they will join them in it’s occupation. And to do that to a country as beautiful as Australia is, is a crime in itself.
Austria and Germany are descending into similar models. Some people say that we are headed for a civil war. I don’t doubt that, but it could also be another European war or perhaps a world war. Europe has been far to cozy for far too long. And it’s partially the fault of the US. Not for the import of our culture, that was voluntary. It’s because they enjoy our military protection, requiring almost no need for their own militaries. It’s allowed them to experiment with social constructionist laws that are very expensive to maintain, but can afford to do so because protection for their wellbeing is a phone call away.
I think it’s time we end to cold war relic of NATO protection. There is no Soviet threat, the threat is China. And Europe, outside of France and England have been far to complacent for far to long paying virtually nothing for their own defese. We need to phase out Europe’s protection from an enemy that no longer exists.
And it’s people, so used to being conquered as to not bat an eye at the tyranny descending from their German rulers in the EU is absolutely mind boggling to me. That the lessons from the not distant past have refused to be learned, blows my mind.
Sadly, our current US ruling class, not satisfied with killing our economy our energy independence and our sovereignty, with regards to borders, are watching Europe with anxious trepidation as something to be modeled, rather than condemned and despised as it rightly should be.
This disease is a ruse for tyranny. If it were as deadly as they had hoped, there would be no need for mandates and masks. People would do everything in their power to avoid it. I am not claiming it’s mild or it’s nothing to be feared, but it’s not an intrinsic death sentence. And while reasonable measures can be utilized, we know now and we knew early on that this thing is not as deadly as first touted, but why let a good crisis go to waste?
If you don’t believe that the ruling class, the tech oligarchs don’t not believe the words coming out of their mouths, you only need to look at their behavior. Just about every single law maker who impose draconian mandates, have been caught violating their own policies. If they don’t think it’s that serious why should we. Why can we not also, just go about our lives? Power goes one way. When you cede power to a government you never get it back. You may get a version of it back, as a cloak of freedom, while the essential power of that rule remains in place.
This disease was a curse to the world unleashed by a soulless, veritably evil Chinese government, happy to kill up to half it’s population for self gain, if Mao is to be believed, on the people of the world. I don’t know if it was deliberate, but it wouldn’t surprise me. It was a gift to those who wish to rule with an iron fist, virtually giving them a blank check to do what is necessary to ‘eradicate’ this disease. They are not suffering the consequences that lack of social contact does to people, or hiding the faces of people every day, which itself is having a measurable cost.
The insanity of acting as if they know how to stop this thing would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. They keep implementing the same restrictions on you and me and citizens of the formally “free” world, when there is not a shred of evidence that things like lockdowns and masking, for instance, works. None. There are countless examples of this everywhere. Yet, they keep doing it despite the devastating cost it has brought, especially on our young people. And yet, many people still blindly obey. Not only that, they side with the very government that is stepping on their necks, like a bunch of masochists, minus the sexual gratification. They side with the very people who are punching down on the weakest among us. They try to get a few licks in themselves, punching down on the people. It makes me sick to my fucking stomach.
I hope most people realize by now, this is not about health. This has nothing to do with your wellbeing. This is about power, burning the old down to build it anew in some utopian vision to be enforced at the point of a gun.
Disobey. Rebel. Do not comply. No more, not this time. Maybe we can interrupt the historical loop instead of accepting it’s fate.
It’s not B/c of govt obedience. It’s because folks are voluntarily, and proudly being public health risks to spite the government and political party in power at the detriment of their fellow citizens.