You realize your sound like a mindless sheep. How can you defend those who wish to control you? It is only about obedience and subservience, it’s not about your or my health. You have to be daft to believe that.
And your part of the problem by defending them. You have clearly bought their propaganda hook-line and sinker. How is an unvaccinated person a danger to public health? Especially if they have had the disease already?
Do you realize what you are saying, Mr. tolerant leftist? You have contempt for your fellow man, because that man doesn’t want to do what you want him to do.
The fact is, vaxxed and unvaxxed are no danger to each other, everybody knows that. The fact that you believe everything would be just fine if everybody took the shot, boggles my mind. You haven’t seen the goal posts move, over and over and over? You think the restrictions would go away with 100% compliance? You have to be either delusional or evil.
That’s the data set to the publication I posted last month that you called misleading
I also don’t follow your argument. Here’s the table from the publication and dataset. You’re 32 times more likely to die unvaccinated compared to those with a second dose.
Pat, you just made a post about how you thought the left was more divisive than the right. You stated it as a problem. But, you are one of the most tribalistic posters here.
You call people sheep, but are in step with nearly every right wing talking point.
I dont think you posted the raw numbers. You posted only the rates.
I call bullshit on these rates.
I will put it this way.
From January till Sept 2021 obviously the vaccinated population has changed from 0 to 70%. We will take that into acount (a)
Obviously more deaths on the vaccinated population is from older people (approximately 15 % older than non vaccinated (b)
I will put (a) to disregard (b), so we do not take these variables into my point. Let me know if you think it is fair. It will make math much easier for me.
I will also try to make numbers easier to do simple math.
There are a total 92k number of deaths from the unvaccinated population.
There are a total of 230k number of deaths from the vaccinated population.
That is around 2.5 times more deaths of vaccinated population from Jan to September.
There are approximately 2 times (slightly more than 2 times, but significantly less than 2.5 times)more vaccinated people in UK currently, than non vaccinated.
33 % of the deaths for non vaccinated population are covid deaths
about 5 % of the deaths for vaccinated population are covid deaths
There are lots of serious question to be raised here?
1.Why the mortality rate is less for non-vaccinated people?
2. If Covid kills non-vaccinated? What kills the vaccinated in significantly large number and slightly larger rate?
2.1. Do we have a pandemic of an unknown disease that kills only the vaccinated population?
2.2. Do vaccines kill? Because that is the main difference between the vaccinated population and non-vaccinated one.
2.3 Or there is a different problem caused by incompetence or number manipulation - like vaccinated people not being tested when hospitalized and when they die from that “unknown” disease in significantly large numbers and rates it goes unreported?
By the way this of the latest Joe Rogan podcasts, brings a lot of questions as well. This is the most published cardiologist out there, and this is also the cardiologists with the most covid related publications as well. Like this guy is the most legit of the legit experts. He is literally “the science”. He testified in front of congress with his believes, and he brings light to a lot of “conspiracy theories”, that may end up true after all.
I made a post that there is data showing the left is way more divisive than anybody else in the country. And I care about the truth, whether that is right or left or middle or not even in the sphere. That the left happens to be verifiably wrong about virtually every issue is not my fault. I am not concerned with ‘the optics’.I am not trying to ‘appear’ fair by adopting some positions I don’t have good reason to believe.
T-nation PWI is not the litmus test for my belief systems. I do hold some very liberal positions too. For instance, I am very pro-worker’s rights and pro drug legalization, with few exceptions. So don’t look now, it may be you who are judgmental and intolerant.
Facts matter. Reality matters. Truth matters. Lying is bad. <-That’s what I believe over anything else. I am a tribe of one. If the labels change, my beliefs won’t.
If I am wrong than testify to the wrong. If I am right, then maybe you should reconsider and not worry so much what it ‘looks’ like.
Edit: this may be the same data set that influenced the tweet @sparkyo posted. The person who tweeted missed that it involved all deaths following 60 days of vaccination. Which includes road traffic accidents etc
Australia is a democracy because the population favours authoritarianism. They vote in vein, authoritarian premiers. However the foundations of democracy in Aus are crumbling. Largely in part due to the fact the Aussie populace favours autocratic leadership, populism and tough guy politics
It’ll favour the population… until it doesn’t… at which point you can’t back out.
Israel has been pulling a lot of over the top shit to pressure people to get vaccinated falling juuusst short of imposing mandates, as a negative test every week = free to do as you wish.
Reason being… their hospital capacity/ICU capacity is abysmally low
I explained that I am removing age as a factor and I am removing changing numbers of vaccinated population as a factor as well. Because UK did not get to 70 % vaccination in a day.
Please don’t tell me age killed all these vaccinated, while Covid killed all these young unvaccinated. There is some mysterious illness killing the vaccinate, I am telling you.
You agree with the numbers but not the rates. I’m not sure what you mean by rates, I’m guessing you mean analysis? I know English isn’t your first language, you’ve got a good grasp of it.
Your analysis includes the most vaccinated group (elderly) and the least vaccinated group (under 18s)
Have a look at the previous 20 years of stats and see if a mysterious illness kills the old more. Nothing mysterious about it.
Yes, and there are updated WHO instructions on how to calculate these rates.
This is why I want to see the pure numbers. And how are people getting to these conclusions. When I saw the numbers I got immediately suspicious. How comes so many vaccinated people are dying and not from Covid, while not that many non vaccinated are dying, but almost 1/3 of them from Covid.
I have said why I am removing age as a factor. Because UK was not 70 % vaccinated in January.
Quick Google Search says in March the vaccinated population was 45 %. This means by March there have been a lot of old non vaccinated people dying of age as well and etc.
Age is not a factor if 0 % have been vaccinated in January, 45 % in March/April and the 70 % vaccination is reached in November actually. I am cutting a lot of slack to the death rate of vaccinated because they have been less and are constantly growing in numbers, but I am using their final number when calculating the death rate, which lowers it.
Also these stats show that there is a 15 % difference in the age of vaccinated Vs non vaccinated population. And while it is true vaccinated population is older, it is only 15 % older than the non vaccinated population.
Second covid does not kill young people, or very rarely. The non vaccinated covid deaths are mostly old people.
You cant come here and claim non vaccinated die from covid, while vaccinated die from age, when we have the above statement.
I am getting back to my claim. Either there is a huge number manipulation, or the more logical explanation is that hospitals do not test vaccinated population and they are not registered as Covid deaths. Simple because vaccinated population has died 2.5more times that the non vaccinated and in a higher rate. It is not possible to have such high number of deaths and higher death rate and claim pooh these are not covid deaths.
Then what the duck it is? What killed all these vaccinated people in such a high rate and numbers? Should we isolate all the vaccinated people and investigate for potential pandemic of an unknown illness only the vaccinated get? The last paragraph is a sarcastic rhetoric.
Pre-war Germany was the same. And a little guy name hitler won fair and square. And he was ushered in to ravenous applause. I don’t know if they teach history in your country, but they really needed to concentrate on how authoritarianism creeps in. You don’t just get taken over. You vote for it, most of the time. So Australia’s path is no unusual in the context of history.
And your right, I do not understand the Australian people. To want such stringent control over their lives is bizarre to me. The one thing America has going for it, is roughly half the population is anti-authoritarian. And if anything can stop the slide, it’s that. But we have cult members here who are happy to vote against their own best interests if there cult wins.
I wonder if they miss Bengi yet?
Fine then I am in no tribe. Knock off the personal shit, then.
Can someone explain this to me, I don’t get why the vaccinated are 15% older. No idea where that number came from? Also why the vaccine rollout starting with the elderly and working down through the ages was ignored?
Ins has tried but I can’t follow his maths and then his conclusions and analysis derived from his maths.
