Coronavirus - What Happened?

Your entire post demonstrates a very callous attitude toward the pandemoniumemic. ā€œBack to normalā€ in the same post you write that people are still being hospitalized? Sickening.

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What other vaccinations do they require?

You do realize that after that, there will be for small companies. Then for children. It is 15 days to stop the spread continuity. It will never stop. It is a mandate if it requires you to change your life. You have no options. You are required to do it. If you comply, the next step is companies over 30 people. Then anyone.

Who cares? That was not the question.

Also, as I wrote previously in this thread the required vaccinations give real immunity. Getting polio after being vaccinated is a real ā€œbreak throughā€ case. The diseases vaccinations protect against are a real threat to children as up to 10% of children die during breakouts of certain ones. That is not including the moderate/severe cases as well as hospitalizations.

What real danger is Covid to a child?

I appreciate this level of sarcasm.

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Your problem isn’t with vaccine mandates. You are fine with mandated vaccines for polio, mumps, measles, etc. Your problem is with how serious medical experts and the government think the virus is vs. how serious you think it is. Where is your degree from and what is it in, again? Just curious as to why you are so confident in your position and think the overwhelming majority of objective experts in the medical field are wrong when you being wrong means millions of preventable deaths.

Maybe you just want small changes to the way things are? Idk. But your bombastic statements seem like you want a wholesale scrapping of COVID policy and you distrust vaccines, and think it’s all a big to-do about nothing.

Wow, wow, wow. Lets hold here. The overwhelming majority … not really.
Objective experts? LOL? Like Faucci who was covering his ass for a gain of function research? Like Phizer and all the vaccine producers who have a history of fraud, corruption, faking research and etc?
Who are these objective experts?

What are you going on about?

It is a fact that the chance of death or severe illness is VERY small amount healthy individuals and damn near zero in children.

The only people at risk are the elderly and those with underlying issues. Even then the chance of death is really low.

Why is it that in the trials very few people died?? They were conducted in a way to ensure favorable results, mostly young and healthy. Pfizer enrolled only 5 people over 85yrs of age.

19 vs 347 Covid infections were the results of the trials (placebo vs vaccine) but, they were mild cases.

1 vs 9 (vaccine to placebo) was the result for severely ill (no hospitalization)

ā€œAll cause mortalityā€ 8 vs 11 ( vaccine vs placebo)

So, what is the case for Covid vaccines?

The case is well laid out by experts in that field of study and practice, but Dunning’s and Kruger’s like yourself wholesale reject their findings and arguments because of some weird misplaced angsty rebellious streak.

You aren’t anti vaccine mandate. You are anti medical science when the results don’t fit your preferred narrative.

Those were the findings from the trials. You can download them off the FDA website.

What case? Efficacy of everything involving Covid prevention/treatment has changed many times and never for the better.

Fauci, Biden, and health/medical officials said the vaccine would prevent you from getting and transmitted it. What happened to that?

You refuse to look at the facts.

No, I am not.

Science is about questioning, testing and scepticism in general. You are anti science if you are against questioning.

Here is the basic science.

Covid is contageus. However the vaccines do not stop the spread.

Covid is deadly for elderly people and people with deseases. The vaccine helps to fight against this it seems. Preventing hospitalization and dead rates.

Why do we mandate companies with people who are in working age and low risk of hospitalization to vaccinate then? Chances for the working age to die from Covid are minimal. The same question for children? Do you know how many children have died from Covid in US? Between 10-20, all with pretty bad conditions.

So if the vaccine does not stop the spread, why do we mandate it on people who are more likely to die in a car crash than from Covid?

Never could eliminate risk, the point is to mitigate the risk. Slow the spread, reduce preventable deaths through easy actions. Pretty simple logic to follow.

Who is the ā€œweā€ you are talking about? In Bulgaria you are letting the virus run rampant and you’re vying for the top spot in the world in deaths per million.

And how is that going??

Are you Macedonian lol? You are always coming in to bring my nationality as some kind of an argument. Which I do not get.

Our green pass restrictions are for restaurants, gyms, shopping malls and etc. Nobody really cares for Covid in Bulgaria. We are well aware the government cant restrict and mandate shit to us :slight_smile: They just dont have the man power to do so.

I agree with this and think in general the job of educating and mitigating risk has been done. We have the vaccine that has been shown at the very least to reduce severity of infection. At this point, those who don’t want to get the vaccine are like those who choose not to wear seatbelts. Everyone knows seatbelts prevent auto accident fatalities but it doesn’t stop the willfully ignorant.

After almost two years, it’s time we accelerate to the finish line.

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So from immunity to may lessen severity… wow and you believe that is enough to mandate vaccines? When the chance of death is less than 1% and near zero for children and healthy adults.

The flu kills children why are those vaccines not mandated? Fast food, alcohol, cigarettes.

Actually, I am against a mandate but think the right decision is for people (especially those at risk) to get the vaccine. I have never claimed a vaccine gives one full immunity.

The mandate is being considered because a significant number of people nowadays believe they are experts in everything. Should the government regulate personal health decisions? No. Do they have to do something due to the low intelligence or willful ignorance of much of the population? No, but they probably should.

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I agree with those at risk and have written so before. However, I do not agree with the above. This mandate is about profit and control.