They are not working at all. They have no imunity in about 2 maximum 3 months. You cant vaccinate the entire population of earth after every dinner they have. Because the next mutation surelly will be more contagious. You cant vaccinate children and healthy adults and mandate them on it, with such a bullshit.
If vaccines were working Israel wouldnt have 16 000 daily cases with fully vaccinated population against the 5-6 000 bulgarian population that was under 20 % vaccinated a month ago. You wouldnt need boosters to slow it down. They would have done what they are were supposed to do. The winter is long. What is next for Israel? A 4th shot in March? To bring down their cases to under what the 35 % vaccinated population of Bulgaria would have? Lmao at the working vaccines. Its a snake oil
No, they did not. Itās a common anti vaxx trope that somehow seeped into public discourse, ālook at Israel, theyāve vaccinated literally everyone and yet they still have casesā
And it is a common pro snake oil people to show the death rates. If we are looking dead rates now only, why do we put snake oil on children and young and healthy adults? The dead rate until the age of 60 is so insignificant, we sure can do without vaccinating them?
So youāve picked up this somewhere in the wilds of anti vaxx propaganda. Did you read the article?
Iām pretty certain you like to claim to be against ādogmasā. Do you want us to go together through this paper - written by a high school student - to understand why itās a steaming pile of horseshit?
Israel had 75% ish of their adult population vaccinated, after which rates were stalling. Cases were climbing, a large portion of their vaccination campaign was conducted over six months ago, immunity wanes
They boosted the majority of those who had been double vaccinated and cases decreased from 16,000/day to 300/day
Meaningā¦ The vaccines work, but the level of immunity granted appears to wane over time. Itās like the flu shot. Israel isnāt going to get the vaccination coverage Portugal has.
The boosters worked, they arenāt going to be locking down again. The vaccines also worked, for around 7 months, after which they still worked but the degree of immunity procured starts to fade.
The clinical literature encompassing vaccines were never indicative herd immunity could be reached with the delta strain to begin with. People are all up in a bunch over the fact we still have casesā¦ But what of the hospitalisation/death rates in proportion to case laid? Theyāre WAY lower.
I can link you to thons of Data. The general data is that vaccines are losing 17 % immunity per month. The general data shows that phizer, astra zeneca have about 45% immunity against Delta, while Johnson has less, but Moderna more. In best case scenario after the 3rd month all vaccines are losing any kind of immunity, but the one of Moderna, which is the most potent.
Vaccine immunity initially begins at around 50-60%, immunity begins to wane after 5-6 months. However even then the risk of hospitalisation/death decreases drastically from baseline.
Iād like data, but Iāve gotta go to work
@EyeDentist is a doctor, iām sure he talks to his patients about this all the time and thus he will have literature on hand that he can instantaneously link for you.
However, I donāt mind if you wish to think otherwise. If you wish to think vaccines are completely ineffective it doesnāt effect me. We can agree to disagree on the matter
What mandates? In order for our kid to attend school we had to show proof of vaccinations for;
diphtheria, measles, mumps, pertussis, poliomyelitis, rubella, tetanus and others that Iām probably forgetting. They wonāt let a student on school grounds until those have been delivered to the local school district.
The COVID vaccine is not on that list and in my state wonāt be for a very long time. Thereās no mandate for children to get the COVID vaccine or for young adults to get it either.
I am now wondering when enough is enough with this stuff and when to get back to normal. I am not discounting the severity of the disease at all but in my county 65% of people over age 12 are vaccinated and last week by total numbers .039% of my county got a new infection. Of those .039%, 6% ended up in the hospital (and my county has a large senior population).
It doesnāt make sense to live in fear anymore.
I can keep my distance from people and generally avoid being coughed on.
Note: this is coming from someone who has diabetes.
Thatās not a vaccine mandate for children, young adults or people in general. The White House mandate applies to businesses of more than 100 people and if you donāt want to get vaxxed you can get tested once a week instead. Or, being a rugged individualist you can start you own business, go become a mountain man, cowboy or just get a job at a smaller business.
Plenty of businesses have implemented this type of policy already including Fox News:
In fact Foxās mandate requires DAILY testing for the under 10% of itās employees who are not vaxxed. So while they spread misinformation and distrust of the vaccines, they are smart enough in house to do the right thing and they did it without being told by the White House.
