I am not against the vaccine and have stated that those at risk especially the elderly should consider it. However, it should have been a major point by the government and medical community to insist you take care of your weight and any underlying issues that put you a greater risk but, we saw NONE of that. Instead people were given free junk food like Krispy Kreme. People are too lazy and want a quick fix and corporations Pharma included are more than happy to profit off of you.
Do you get a flu shot every year, miss work and isolate when you are even a little sick? Did you wear a mask a couple years ago? No one does/did. That is a risk to the weaker around you. How many sick/dead people have you been āresponsibleā for?
The vaccine is it not a good comparison to the required immunizations for children because those give immunity to highly contagious, serious sickness, children can die and at a high rate. This puts schools at very high risk and as I said diet and exercise are not going to stop polio and the measles.
Or the vaccine along with low natural immunity can create stronger/resistant strains.
Yes, but the danger/high risk is due to the obesity and underlying issues. A COVID positive person can cough on me and I will not suffer grave consequences.
You are right. It is a conclusion made by the scientists. Do you want raw data or something? Maybe they are lying to us? If that is the case, you wouldnāt trust the raw data either. At some point, at least for me, I need to trust the experts at the top. I donāt have the resources to analyze raw data, and come to a conclusion.
Here is infection numbers (actually getting Covid, and not just reducing symptoms) also from the CDC.
Youāre going to have to show evidence for that and define stronger, Iām not sure if you are comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. As being unvaccinated and getting covid can lead to mutations so it seems like a mute point?
You do get unvaccinated people who have covid and no symptoms so I hope youāre right with your scenario and protecting your grandmother, Iām not sure it works like that.
I take my advice from someone I trust with my life and is on the frontline daily. They work in the highest care ward in our hospitals. In the UK the shift of people being admitted to ICU is broadly moving from the old to the unvaccinated. Younger people are being admitted to ICU than a year ago.
Just google immune escape. It currenly will tell you that current immune escapes happen in unvaccinated people and that Delta is such a variant. But immune escaping from vaccinated people is possible and will happen eventually. Most likely it will start with mutations of partially vaccinated people.
Or it will come from some people with weaker immune system that are fully vaccinated. Why do you think they are pushing for 3rd dose? Because it is cool?
I understand immune escape to a basic level but I donāt see how that weighs being unvaccinated as beneficial, and thatās the inference I take from your post. Thereās a few assumptions in your sentences. The variants so far seem to have arisen in unvaccinated populations.
Because the lasting affects of vaccination is unknown and weāre in a pandemic was my assumption. I donāt know why you went with a little snark here.
My point was not it weights being unvaccinated. My poin was that the current state of vaccines will not combat Covid. So it does not matter if you are vaccinated or not. Vaccines are not the end game for the pandemic.
Remember heard immunity? Well it does not exists with these vaccines. But somehow we forgot about it.
The smerk in the end was o point out that 3rd shots are to prevent mutations. We probably have already vaccine mutations if they are in rush to push for 3rd shot.
My general point is. I am not signing in this warfare with a subscription to politicised vaccines and medical system and decisions. Because what is next? You nees to have 3 shots to be fully vaxed? While important topics such as obessity, home work, and vaccines for the entire world are not even talked about.
You want less spread? Make working from home mandatory where it is possible? You want less dead? Make exercise mandatory, affordable and with easy access? Give diet advice, work on the rate of healthy food? You want lesa mutations, give poor countries vaccines?
Nope it is not. There are two sources questioning it has been faked. One is studen assigned the paper for his PHD, the other is a research doctor from Australia. No official body has confirmed it is faked.
The story comes from the student. Who contacted The Guardian and an analysist. The analysist havent confirmed anything. The Guardian ran the story quoting the student that it ālooks totally fakedā. So I am sorry I am not buying a student opinion for a prove that the study is faked. If you do, shame on you.
Well, I hate to break it to you but Iāve published several papers and I know a thing or two about data science.
Iāve actually looked at the analysis of the Elgazzar (Egyptian) study, which the anti-vaxx/pro-IM crowd already partially disowned, and the data was lazily faked by simply cloning (imaginary) patient records.
If youāre faking data, you have to pay constant attention to statistical metrics - variance, mean, median and the distribution just to name a few. And the person faking it didnāt do his/her homework as for example the statistical distribution of patient age is totally skewed due to cloning of imaginary records. Even a cursory look shows the data was faked and thatās why the publishers tried to hide the data before (attempting) to pass the peer review.
For the plethora of red flags in the Argentine study Iāll just name the most ludicrous one - two of the hospitals named never even heard of the study supposedly ran on their doctors and patients which was then handwaved away by the author - who hasnāt published anything of note in the 35 years of his career - by alleging that āheās not a statisticianā.
Oh yes, and just to preempt, the African IM graph making the rounds is also transparently fake.
I think that figure was based on the original strain. The most optimistic figure Iāve seen from countries that got Delta early was 60% from the UK. Singapore gave an estimate of 40% just last week, which ties in with the 39% figure from Israel several weeks ago.
So now I have to take your opinion, that student opinion and that Australian researcher opinion. Imo you should write to The Guardian. I am sure they will publish you as well.
And now it is faked, because you 3 have said so? Okay I guess.
No, itās fake because the data is fake. If you have some data science knowledge you can look at the data yourself and see that the records are (lazily) cloned which is visible in the mean and the distribution of the age variable, for example.
Look for yourself. Arenāt you into ādoing your own researchā?
Also, Iām pretty sure falsely claiming that two hospitals participated in the study, is not āme saying soā but observable fact.
See, here is the deal. Lets wait for an official body set the rules, not you, not the student, not the media. If the research is faked it will be pulled out. So far it is pulled out for ethical concerns. That is the official statement.
Additionally even if it is recognised as faked, there is plenty of research that is going on. As far as I know Oxforf is looking into it. What would happen if this research is faked, but Oxford and Astra Zeneca come up and conclude ivermektin is legit threatment?
Would it even matter? So discussing at the moment if it is faked is pointless. Can we agree on that?
Agree. We have a cheap and effective way to end the pandemic - the vaccines that underwent a rigorous approval process.
And then we have snake oil salesmen with a financial interest peddling unproven miracle cures (no time to do RCTs, trust us on spurious anecdotal evidence).
So Iām all for IM proponents to shut the fuck up until the efficacy of their miracle cure is proven (and thatās a big if) in a non-fraudulent study.
