Cases are correlated with deaths, who usually lag two to three weeks. The deniers were in full “it’s a casedemic” mode in September but fell strangely silent after death started following three weeks later, as predicted.
That is mathematically not true. Covid doesn’t kill a “fraction of a percent”
It kills people.
But the people it kills are insignificant, right Chris?
Meant “more than a fraction of a percent”
English as a third language and all that
Where? Certainly not in Canada, where cases are at an all time high and few people are dying, even though anyone who is infected and dies is considered a “COVID death” regardless of the actual cause.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Around 1 million are dead, do the math:
more than 760 million people
But the lives ruined or lost due to the shutdowns, lockdowns, and restrictions matter less?
They’re just as important as the ones lost to the disease.
Not ripping on that at all. I think you have me beat there by at least two.
Don’t beat yourself over it. It’s simply a matter of where one is born and not some innate mental ability - if you’re living in a place where you converse in five or six languages as part of your daily social/business life then you pick them up real quick.
That’s why Melania’s failure to grasp even one foreign language (English) is even more striking.
Yeah, like my old Ukrainian buddy. He could jump back and forth from Ukrainian, Russian, polish, etc. with seemingly no effort.
My dad could do similarly too, having grown up in a neighborhood with check/Slovak, polish, Italian, Irish and a few other on the same street.
But but
Wasn’t she training to be an architect or engineer?
I like articles saying some pop culture person was training to be a rocket scientist. Then you read the article, see they dropped college in 2nd semester because they got discovered at the strip joint and started making 'music videos '.
Everywhere. We’ve covered this already. And it includes Canada who has seen increased deaths following increased cases. It will become even more apparent if your (and I hope I’m wrong) cases rapidly accelerate.
No it isn’t. I’ve already proven it to you. You couldn’t argue against it (linking an article for some reason that said the opposite of what you were saying). Stop talking about that thing that puts people in hospitals and with increased amounts leads to deaths!
I’m just going to post this for every time you argue that cases are pointless.
Which of you will get the vaccine when it’s released?
But even the mainstream media says that this is not the case. Where are you getting your information from?
More cases, less deaths:
British Medical Journal:
When good science is suppressed by the medical-political complex, people die
Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.
Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.
How are you continuing to get this wrong? I’m getting my information from every single country that has had significant spikes. Treating coronavirus better does not mean significant spikes don’t lead to more deaths. We can ignore the “initial” wave if you’d like as that is where we had the least amount of information on how to treat. Go look at the US.
Our second wave started in the summer. Weeks later our deaths started climbing again. Then they went down as cases went down. As we’ve started our third wave deaths have tacked back up weeks after that. Canada is tracking towards the same.
No one is arguing that we aren’t treating people better. What you keep saying is that cases don’t matter. Except they do. More cases leads to more hospitalization and more deaths.
Your article (again) provides evidence to this.
“But doctors and politicians are frantically warning that if the case numbers in Canada keep soaring as they have been in recent weeks, that may not be the case for much longer.“
If rising cases don’t matter why warn people?
“What’s going to happen almost inevitably, as you have more and more spread in the community, it’s going to find more vulnerable groups to spread to,” he said.“
Of course. The more cases you have the more likely that you won’t be able to keep it from getting to people who are vulnerable. Deaths will go up. As they have in every country.
Saying cases are irrelevant flies in the face of the data we have AND you keep linking articles that say this.
Let’s think about it this way. If Canada starts having 100,000 cases per day for the next five weeks do you anticipate deaths will rise weeks later, stay the same as now, or go down?
H, this is why I don’t discuss this much with Chris. My hat is off to you though.
I probably will.
This is the latest in a growing list of examples why science should never be politicized. Ever.
Once a topic is political it is almost impossible to “rewind” the clock so to speak. It is a one way road, unless you have extremely strong leadership and unified (and factual) messaging. Both of those things tend to lack in our country.
There is another significant problem though, which is that the US is effectively the size of Europe and with a comparable number of states doing their own thing. This will inevitably complicate any response, no matter how good, with the possible exception of entry point management from international travel.
Glutton for punishment I guess.
But not the US apparently, since the graph here shows a similar story to Canada’s, triple the cases from the summer but approximately the same death rate:
Something else to consider as well - Canada average life expectancy: 79.9 for men, 84 for women.
Ontario COVID deaths by age group:
It’s all about who gets infected, not how many.
No the US data confirms what I have been saying. What I’m guessing you’re getting wrong is that each wave may have less deaths than previous waves since we are treating it better.
But the US has shown that with each wave we have had deaths have gone up in the weeks after it. Comparing it to the beginning isn’t smart. That’s when we knew the least about how to effectively treat it.
As time goes on we may expect the deaths per wave to be lower. This makes sense as we gain information. But it doesn’t change the consistent pattern that with each wave deaths have went up.
I guess I will ask again since you ignored it. Why is your article warning about case increases if it doesn’t matter?
What do you think happens to deaths in Canada if you have a month of 100K Covid cases? Do the deaths in the next five weeks go up, down, or stay the same?
We’ve already addressed this. It’s no different than a ton of illnesses that are far more likely to be fatal for certain people. 100 cases hitting 99 year olds is certainly more likely to be fatal than 100 cases hitting 19 year olds. Again no one is disputing this you’re arguing against air here.
Thought experiment
I wonder how many bugs the human race has more or less subdued, prior to being so knowledgeable about epidemics, fast track vaccines, political inputs.
Answer is obviously all of them, since there has never been one that eliminated the entire human race. But l ponder how long a social creature can ‘lock down’ its worldwide population. Getting this to be just another ‘flu shot’ stage could be years of lock down.
I dont say this in a cavalier manner, but l told wife, “l’m ready to start living or start dying.” Im also 60 - so my life has mostly passed and dont blame younger people here not feeling that way. I didnt at 30.