It’s either Wuhan lockdown or Sweden moderate restrictions, anything else is just half stepping.
Spend a year and a half in a nursing home without going outside at all and get back to me. I would rather be in prison, you have more rights and freedom.
A lot in between those two could be argued and done. Either way nothing you can do isn’t the right way to look at the problem if you want to minimize impacts.
Not sure why I need to do this but ok.
Things in your life during this time haven’t been particularly bad. You have a lot of free time and you’re not overly worried about where your food and water is coming from.
I’m just as excited for things to go back to normal as the next person. This sucks. But I’m not sitting here posting on a bodybuilding forum trying to pretend that we’ve got it so awful no one would ever trade places.
Why not New Zealand?
Wuhan was EXTREME because even the CCP’ didn’t know what they were doing since this wasn’t something that had happened in this kind of numbers before. And the top talent when it comes to science and shit works for them.
They didn’t do this in other parts of China. The Wuhan model isn’t something anyone wants to follow even in China.
It goes back to the same old story of preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. Once that is under control, not much else can be accomplished except prolonging the problem.
And I’m also not a nursing home resident. I was not referring to my own situation.
What exactly were the extra-extreme measures taken in Wuhan that other extreme places like NZ didn’t do?
Somehow I ended up reading about smallpox, COVID is a joke compared to this one:
Smallpox is estimated to have killed up to 300 million people in the 20th century[15][16] and around 500 million people in the last 100 years of its existence,[17] as well as six monarchs.[10][14]As recently as 1967, 15 million cases occurred a year.[10]
Plus blindness and sever scarring for survivors
They didn’t even allow people to go out to buy basic necessities. People had to select a couple of representatives from their residential areas to buy them. It was strict home quarantine. No leaving the house for any reason at all unless you were one of the representatives or working in essential services.
Essential services were much more limited in scope. Maintaining communications and networking would be allowed. Selling snacks and deserts wouldn’t be.
And you got to take into account that since the lockdown was so abruptly ordered, businesses didn’t have time to make arrangements like set up WHF tech so lots of businesses just ceased operations and people were going nuts at home doing nothing,
One dude filmed himself running a half-marathon in his living room since they couldn’t even go out to jog.
You can google New Zealand’s restrictions. They’re more or less similar to other Asian countries. My company narrowly qualified classified as an essential since I provided proof of work from some IT projects and I could go around doing ad shoots for a couple of days lol.
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And do note that my country allowed people to go out and buy takeaways from food sellers unlike New Zealand in a 2 month lockdown and we’ve had 0 local cases for a week already even after the lockdown was lifted in June.
It’s what I’ve been saying about ENFORCEMENT and COMPLIANCE. If you set really strict rules like the UK and people don’t comply and the police don’t enforce them, it’s sill useless.
Look at the rules for the UK. They were, and are almost the same as New Zealand’s but the outcomes were vastly different.
If you can’t enforce them, don’t do it.
Also, there has to be a plan to enforce rules after lockdowns like mask wearing and social distancing or you’re just going to have another wave.
Stuff like mass testing and sending infected people and close contacts to gulags is also important or the lockdowns are wasted.
ALL people entering the country especially need to be sent to the gulags and tested while they’re there.
Seriously, I just don’t get it if what you’re telling me is accurate. @chris_ottawa
Why would your leaders refuse to exercise government powers to quarantine and isolate people and close contacts with the virus and test them for at most 2-3 WEEKS(let the close contacts LEAVE after testing during the mean incubation period of 5 DAYS), refuse to do the same for travellers coming into the country FOR 2 WEEKS and testing them…
Then use these same powers to declare lockdowns for 2-3 MONTHS and then have to spend money supporting the majority of the population because they have no more sources of income?
It doesn’t make any sense to me.
This money can be for mass testing. You can use it to quarantine people in nice places with room service and shit. You can hire more enforcement officials to enforce the LAW.
Fuck, you can even give out money to people in quarantine throughout the period like $100-200 a day or something to compensate them for enduring the horrors of a welcome mint, room service, laundry washing, nice food cooked by a michelin chef and probably even a daily wake up call.
You’ll even get back revenue through fining people who break social distancing laws and refusing to wear a mask.
I mean, I’m not a fan of the Swedish model, but I believe it can work in combination with what I wrote above and along with greater social distancing restrictions which your science guys should be able to figure out and which are actually ENFORCED.
For example, if F n B businesses have a quota for the amount of people allowed in due to social distancing guidelines, you can compensate them for it based on their accounts from the previous financial period and still spend less than a full lockdown.
Make it mandatory for companies who have staff that can do their jobs from home to allow them to work from home. Do constant checks and have complaint hotlines for staff if their employers don’t allow them to do so. If companies don’t comply, fine them.
If companies don’t have the budget to develop the infrastructure for WFH, offer subsidies for them or just fucking pay for it if it’s less than a certain amount. Still far cheaper than a lockdown.
Small businesses only allowed certain amount of clients in their premises? Compensate like stated above. Still far cheaper than lockdowns.
Surgical procedures can be done but test patients prior to, and after recovery or send them to the gulags if they don’t need to spend time in the hospital to recover and compensate them for time spent there (test after 5 days). Still far cheaper.
If people do stupid shit like have COVID parties, FINE THEM HEAVILY. Make back revenue and show you mean it as a deterrent. Hire more manpower or deploy existing ones in redundant government roles. Or use your military in their non-combat uniforms. Anything. Just ENFORCE THE LAW.
ALL STILL CHEAPER THAN LOCKDOWNS.
This isn’t an overstepping of government powers in a state of emergency. It’s, in fact, a MILD invocation of such powers afforded to them by the Law. If it’s strictly from the Brits, the government can even fucking mandate a TEMPORARY NATIONALIZATION of every TRUMP HOTEL and quarantine people there. Won’t that be fucking hilarious?
(^Obviously NOT advocating for all this nationalization and shit, just showing how much power they REALLY HAVE and how little they’re choosing to to exercise NOW. If you know exactly what they can do, you should also appreciate the fact that if things get REALLY out of hand, they may actually do really drastic things not many people know they are capable of doing under the law.)
There’s just so much shit that can be done that even a moron like me who spends my free time watching dumb exploitation flicks from the 80s can think of. What the fuck are the geniuses at the top doing?
It didn’t start like that, in the beginning very few people were tested, it was nearly impossible to get tested unless you were hospitalized, and people with respiratory symptoms or fever were being told to stay hoe for 14 days. Apparently there was a shortage of testing machines and equipment, and because the WHO and some other clowns said that it’s wasn’t nice to ban travel to and from places such as China and Italy we had a lot of infected people come in the country.
But yeah it doesn’t make sense. Not only that, but with the $2000/month the government is handing out it isn’t even worth working for a lot of people. In Ontario the minimum wage is $14/hour, if you work 40 hours a week you only make $60 more than if you stayed home, and a lot of people work less than 40 hours a week. Most other provinces have lower minimum wages than here, so there is basically no incentive to take low wage jobs these days.
It would be much better than what the US has going on, including Biden threatening to shut the country down for a month or more. Probably better than Canada’s crippled and dysfunctional economy too.
Might be pretty similar actually. (See bottom link). Plus we don’t have a “model” that anyone can copy. Each location is doing randomly far different things no matter what their cases look like. Also I would guess our compliance with wearing masks as a nation has to be one of the lowest in the world.
It’s highly unlikely we could even agree on all doing the same thing considering how politicized it has become. We have a President who initially politicized it and now largely ignores it except to say outlandish stuff like it’s going to disappear or something.
The only thing the US has going on is continued record case numbers and an increased March toward 300,000 deaths.
This is what has hurt the US. We simply don’t enforce many of the things that other countries have success doing. Which honestly shouldn’t even be necessary to do so. One would think that following the super simple advice of doing your best to socially distance while wearing a mask in public while your country is getting its ass kicked by a virus would be universal common sense.
Instead most of the nation is either ignoring the advice because of conspiracy, control, insert other dipshit reason. Or they are in an area with a mandate but the mandate isn’t followed enforced.
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MO it’s just a waste of time then while fucking up small business owners and all the other detriments already mentioned in this thread. Only ndustries like tech and people like Bezos benefit. Biden was right in calling this a “K” shaped recovery instead of a V shaped one.
Yeah. Don’t get me wrong I wish we didn’t need to do any of it. I wish it was simple enough that people would say “oh shit we have a massive amount of cases and deaths. I should do what the experts say might help.”
Instead many people do the opposite because I dunno china virus liberal media George Soros microchips in vaccines sheeple Nazi germany Bill Gates. Something like that.
It’s subjective, the mainstream media calls it a failure but Sweden still sees is as the right choice. Whatever you think of it, you at least have to give them credit for coming up with a plan and sticking to it, unlike other places that either have no plan or keep flopping back and forth.
Yes I think any plan and sticking to it or adjusting with new data makes far more sense than what we have done. Which is essentially hope it goes away with heat or something.
This is from a Swedish epidemiologist who opposes the government approach. On the graph are superimposed actual translated and timestamped quotes from Tegnell and other Swedish officials.
Stop talking about “cases”, it’s meaningless when discussing a virus that produces no symptoms in 86% of people and kills a fraction of a percent.
