Tell that to the New York Times
That is a very stupid thing to say.
Interesting. My grand parents came over from Ireland and Scotland in the early 1900ās due to various hardship. They came from families of 14 or so each, with lots of stories of their brothers and sisters dying from various illnesses, mine cave ins, etc.
But they worked hard and things got better, and after a couple of miscarriages had my dad and he had the 5 of us.
Now me and my brothers all have like 1,3, and 4 kids each.
So Bill isnāt far at all from the mark.
Itās a very basic observable phenomenon both locally(within families) and world wide that people do this.
I think all of this comes down do differences in how people define baseless. Some look at a possible motive and that is enough evidence. I try to look at evidence itself. Gates has numerous possible motives for different actions he could take. He is also extremely wealthy and has some power. IMO, this is why so many conspiracy theories with no actual evidence exist for him. Occamās razor eliminates pretty much all of these theories if applied.
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No he didnāt. Post a quote from him saying he wanted to REDUCE the worldās population.
Until the quality of life goes up and people can actually do things as adults, like take vacations. When you can have ten kids and give them nothing or 1 kid and give him nothing, it doesnāt make much of a difference. But when you can choose between having two kids and giving them everything or ten kids and giving each a lot less than you would if you had two, it changes things.
And he and the WHO are so powerful that places shutdown AFTER it was too late.
āFirst, weāve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. Thatās headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent ā¦ā
Yeah, thatās the problem with these conspiracy theories, and not just for Bill Gates. people look at limited (or misinterpreted) pieces of information and then imagine what all this could possibly mean and believe that as a fact. Just as Iām skeptical of Gates, Iām skeptical of anyone claiming to know what he is secretly planning.
What you describe there seems to me more due to a change in society itself than a result of decreased infant mortality rates. Birth control was invented and became widely acceptable, women started working, and people stopped seeing large families as something desirable. There are lots of immigrants here in Canada, mostly from Africa and the middle east, that have 5+ kids and itās not because they think they will die, they want lots of kids. Even in Quebec a few decades back it was normal to have large families, apparently it had to do with the Catholic church encouraging people to have more kids in order to boost the population of French Canadian Catholics. Celine Dion (the singer) had something like 14 brothers and sisters.
It has a lot more to do with culture than infant mortality rates.
Infant mortality is a part of all cultures, and shapes them extensively.
I mean, Iāve heard literally from the horses mouths, āWe had a lot of kids because you know some of them are going to dieā¦ā
Thatās like, verbatim, from my grandmother.
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I think if you are skeptical of someone without evidence, but can see motive that is reasonable. To come to a conclusion about that person is unreasonable.
I donāt put much stock into the Gates conspiracies. It would have to be quite the elaborate scheme to be a very generous philanthropist (him and Warren are the #1 and #2 philanthropists in the world), but secretly be planning to profit big off of a virus that he worked with China to develop (not sure if that is the most popular Gates conspiracy goin around?).
Socioeconomic status affects infant mortality rates. Thatās pretty clear, regardless of the country. SkyzykS pretty much said exactly that.
No. He is not saying he wants to kill 15% of the 6.8 billion people. He is saying lower the GROWTH RATE 15% from 9 billion. Theyāre not the same thing, which is zecarlos point.
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Lower what by 10 or 15 percent? The 6.8 billion or the yet to exist 9 billion (in other words, reduce growth, not eliminate existing life)?
Thank you.
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Does he want more money? It seems like if he wants more money heās doing a piss poor job at it since heās donated over 35 billion in his life. You said he could make billions of dollars which is true of course. Listing this as his motive for creating coronavirus or whatever the loons are saying seems pretty far fetched. Most people who want more money donāt retire from massively lucrative jobs to give money away.
Iām not talking about whether or not people like him. So if someone doesnāt like that he finds āleft wing causesā thatās reason to promote insane conspiracy theories about someone? Why not just call him an asshole?
Youāve been bringing up the Gates thing numerous times in the thread. And yes I think itās baseless given the fact that so far the evidence presented is maybe he wants money. You floated the same thing about George Soros with zero reason or evidence. Just two people who donate money to ideas you donāt like isnāt reason to run with crazy theories.
I never heard anyone say that, but I have heard people say they want lots of kids. I know several people with 5-6 kids, and they arenāt counting on a few to die.
Soros is also a āphilanthropistā according to some, while others see him as an evil billionaire pushing a far-left agenda. He was the one you heard the most about until this virus came along. At some point, money is no longer the main objective and it becomes about power. Otherwise Trump wouldnāt have run for president.
Then isnāt shutting down economies around the globe and possibly leading to another depression totally counterproductive to Gatesā altruistic aims?
Has he ever spoken of the need to keep the birth rate at maintenance levels? You can interpret his words how you want, but Iām quoting that to show how people started associating him with an alleged depopulation agenda.
Itās a possible motive, and in some cases giving away money to fund certain things and gain certain allies can be a strategy to make more money in the long run. Gates is worth over $100 million.
Iām with you on that. Iām not promoting anything, I was just trying to explain where some of these theories like RFID chip vaccines and Gates trying to depopulate the world came from. The point is that itās not completely unfounded nonsense with no rational explanation, it is a result of people being misinformed and misinterpreting facts and possibly intentional disinformation as well.
I brought up Gates before with something related to China and I jokingly said that him and China were working to ādeceive the worldā, which you mistakenly took seriously. However, in retrospect with him and China being the two main driving forces behind the WHO there could be something to it, but I was still joking at that time. No need to go back through that again.
What crazy theories about Soros? There are completely logic and documented reasons not to like him, you donāt need a conspiracy theory.
Why ask a question and then post the answer you want to hear? You should pat yourself on the back too.
I think the conspiracy is not that he wants to kill but, bring down the population through āvaccinesā, āreproductive health servicesā, etc. that are in fact means of sterilization/ depopulation, specifically in less developed countries. Which does not sound that terrible.
Start here:
āMelinda: Saving childrenās lives is the goal that launched our global work. Itās an end in itself. But then we learned it has all these other benefits as well. If parents believe their children will survive ā and if they have the power to time and space their pregnancies ā they choose to have fewer children.
Bill: When a mother can choose how many children to have, her children are healthier, theyāre better nourished, their mental capacities are higher ā and parents have more time and money to spend on each childās health and schooling. Thatās how families and countries get out of poverty. This link between saving lives, a lower birthrate, and ending poverty was the most important early lesson Melinda and I learned about global health.ā
Of course this is just what they said. Iām sure behind closed doors they both laughed maniacally and said āI bet these people buy it. Then in a few years we unleash the coronavirus and make the vaccine and we will have billions of dollars finally. We just have to be careful that those savvy people who found out Sandy Hook was faked using child actors donāt catch wind.ā
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Well sure itās a possible motive. But given his actions for years before Coronavirus it makes very little sense. Like very little. The idea that Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates need some type of convoluted conspiracy so they can make money isā¦well not something they even need to do.
Right wing paranoid people angry at āliberalsā plus crazy anti-vaccine people is the perfect storm of nonsense for these theories.
No there couldnāt. I mean sure it could be but why would this be the conclusion one came to? Is it really likely China and Bill Gates are conspiring. To what exactly and what end? Hey they both want money I bet. Wonder if China has a key to the Gates/Soros laboratory of doom. I bet Obama knows. Wouldnāt shock me if he was in on the whole deal. I donāt know that he is, but I canāt prove he isnāt either.
Your stock thought response on things shouldnāt be crazy conspiracy theory. Occamās Razor yet again man. Start with the simplest answer as most likely correct. Not the mental flip flops needed to connect people to something.
The crazy theories about Soros are a mile long. Heās the usual right wing villain (you even said in here something about him possibly having something to do with it way up there). You werenāt joking or maybe you were on the initial Gates thing and it was Aragorn who told you to knock it off not me if I remember right. Been a while ago.
How is a theory formed on being misinformed with misinterpreted facts rational? That sounds like the exact opposite. It sounds like youāre saying hey it makes sense to the crazy people. Which is probably true. So did Obama creating Superstorm Sandy and fake child actors in school shootings.
The intentional disinformation is often coming from the very people who already believe or want the paranoid right wing to buy into this shit. Whatās better for the right? Trump fucked some stuff up and thatās why this is bad in America right now? Or deep state operatives and wealthy liberals brought this here to control us or some such nonsense? In the never ending plot to overthrow our king.
Cliffs notes: Donāt believe dumbass conspiracy theories or think āmust be a conspiracyā every time something happens.
Because itās 2020 in Canada/US, not early 1900ās or earlier in pretty much any part of the world, which is where peopleās grandparents who actually said that would be coming from.
You think it wasnāt about money for him?
Even in the mid-20th century, Europeans and Americans were having more children on average, and infant mortality was higher.
There are some things that are universal across cultures and geographies, and the relationship between child mortality, birth rate, and prosperity is one of the most ironclad correlations you will ever find. When people (women, in particular) are given the choice between
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6-7 children (6 pregnancies, mind you) with 2 likely to die and 3 likely to live in the same poverty as their parents; and
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2-3 children who will have food, school, and maybe guitar lessons,
no culture has ever chosen the former. It is well established. Women from Iran to Argentina to Norway choose to have fewer children when the children are more likely to survive.
Vaccines will affect the population, but only in the best way possible, by making the lives of the living better.
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Historically, it was even worse.
In the 18th century, Austrian Empress Maria Theresa gave birth to sixteen children, out of which thirteen survived infancy. Youāre running an Empire in a life-or-death struggle and you still have to pump out babies to ensure that at least some of them reach adulthood.
1500 years before that the odds were even more brutal - Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius had one child (future Emperor Commodus) survive infancy out of SEVENTEEN children. No wonder he focused so much on stoic philosophy.
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