Of course you don’t, @twojarslave!
You know what? That’s okay! Agreeing to disagree works for me! (But I think you know that already!)
Why would I, when it flies in the face of all of my personal observations?
Edit: Which, I’ll point out, was…
You challenged me by presenting a broad narrative of conservative behavior and opinions. When challenged to name a person who believed this, you had me google it. I did, and found one guy and some random Americans.
I can name you hundreds of conservatives who don’t believe that at all. By name.
I thought lizard people was a “conservative” thing?
It’s a crazy person thing. Apparently Mark Zuckerberg is one.
The real reason to want Trump out of office is to keep his garbage children and Kushner from getting too entrenched in the government and running for office themselves in the near future.
That was implied when I wrote conservative.
Then it’s either YOU or ME that needs to get out of their bubble, @twojarslave.
A gradual shift towards tracking technology is what I’ve been warning you about. But, no, everyone is crying about stupid mundane things like masks.
I’m telling you something that should be very easy to grasp. You give the government and affiliated parts of the private sector an excuse to do shit like this, they’ll do it. Hand in hand. If the number of covid cases spikes again because people can’t take simple precautions, they will fucking do it after the media has started it’s fear campaign again.
You will end up complying. I guarantee you this.
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Well, I’ve spent most of my life being a liberal, with only the last 10 years or so really bringing me to conservatism.
A typical tale, I know. But I do have the ability to articulate a good-faith liberal argument for just about any issue of the day. I may not agree with it, but I can understand it and articulate it.
Otherwise I place much more weight on what I see than what other people tell me I should be seeing. Narratives are very powerful and even seductive, after all. I find it best to ask basic questions like “who”, “why”, “what”, instead of taking it at face value.
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I work with the construction industry. The site supers for large projects (think $50 mill+) along with a number of big developers i work with tend to be middle of the road, to right (despite near universal dislike for trump). They ALL, without exception, have expressed to me in the past few weeks that we should get back working again like normal. I even received the side eye and a little grumbling for showing up to a site meeting with my mandated mask and gloves on (the project and my engineering firm could be fined if an inspector caught me without PPE on site).
Similar to you, im not going to name names on here, but there are many folks that have expressed their desire to go back to business as usual (no need for PPE or social distancing) ASAP, and they have all been center or right leaning folks. No progressive, or liberal person has mentioned foregoing PPE or social distancing. And to me it makes sense with the narratives and way this is being framed by right wing media, which i assume they follow.
But, YMMV.
I think you’d be silly to not have a desire to go back to business as usual. Who wouldn’t want that? Nobody wants to wear a mask or face shield at work.
The million dollar question is whether they do or don’t, and the ten million dollar question will be whether anything bad comes of it, or not.
Edit: And to stress my original point (today, at least), it will be up to businesses to manage the risk, no matter what Trump or any governor says. Good or bad, they will be the ones who will open up safely, or not.
The alternative is to not do business.
I agree with what you are saying. I think that is very likely to happen. Much more likely than a lot of folks want to believe.
And i bet SCOTUS allows it because the government will be tracking a phone, not a person. And a phone is not a neccessary, natural part of a person… or something along those lines.
And the thing is, you lose like 75% of the functionality of a new phone if you disallow location tracking entirely. You basically turn that iPhone 11 or Pixel 5 into the functionality of an iPhone 2. So, people will just accept it. I did, because i got sick and tired of being asked if i wanted to allow an app to see my location EVERY SINGLE TIME i opened one- if you allow, they wont ever ask again, but if you disallow they will ask every single time you open. Personally i only really use GPS on wayfinding apps for when im out in the woods or for driving directions, and i LOVE the super high quality camera… but other than that, i dont need or really want the other smart phone features. If they made a phone with basic internet, google maps, a great camera, and the capability for like 5 apps, and nothing else id have bought that.
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We can already be tracked via our cell phones. We have Facebook and other social media sites where people tell the world about their personal lives, behaviors and opinions. Google tracks your browsing.
Now, privacy is an issue?
Agreed. I dont want to wear a damn mask and latex gloves to go on a site visit. Or have to wash my hands 10 times per day, or have to awkwardly fist bump at meetings instead of shake hands (my handshake is fucking phenomenal, maybe my best trait). But, for now, it seems to be the best course of action given the risk-reward analysis.
Also, i agree with you, and your acquaintances: I want places opened up ASAP, and to do that those places need to enforce PPE, social distancing, etc. That kind of stuff is a bit of a hassle, but it is in no way a deal killer. If it gets the mainstreet bakery open, and Joe’s barbershop open tomorrow, ill gladly slap a mask and gloves on, and squirt some purell onto my hands prior to entering. It blows my mind that there are folks (like the guy in this thread) that will refuse to follow those simple precautions.
It is good to hear that the folks up your way are thinking like that. I think that is the most prudent way to move forward as well.
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It is the only way, unless we shift more towards totalitarian policies.
To bring this conversation out of the clouds of narrative-land and back to the ground, the business realities of COVID are already taking shape. I’m not sure if this is a good or bad thing, nobody will be until enough time has passed to have a somewhat clear picture.
These business realities are what’s going to shape people’s behaviors, absent the threat of government force like we have presently. Regardless of my politics, COVID readiness will now be a factor in who I do business with, and who does business with me.
If nothing else, liability is such a huge concern right now that will shape our collective COVID precautions, possibly more than any other force. How can I avoid a COVID lawsuit? will be a much more pressing concern for most business owners than reconciling their own political notions with how they do business.
If our facilities pest-control guy were to come in and start slapping everyone on the back, for instance, he would not be coming back. We’d find a guy who respected our social distancing policies, even if I had to pay him more. It is now a cost of doing business.
We are entering a whole new world of workplace liability.
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Didn’t say it…never said it…nor even implied anything different.
I’ll repeat if again…
The “answer” to getting back to some “new norm” is most likely between straight-up Police State Tactics and "FAKE NEWS! FAKE PLANDEMIC! It’s all invented to hurt Trump! Hydroxychloroquine WORKS! Big Pharma doesn’t want you to KNOW!
I didn’t say you did. The context of that statement was a reply to another poster.
the liability thing will be interesting. I wonder how the law will view this differently than the Flu? Or maybe people simply didnt sue over catching the flu, like they did over getting ecoli or salmonella, and might over catching CV from a business not following protocols. That will be interesting to watch.
I’m not sure, but it is at the forefront of our minds at the business I work at. Lawyers are salivating, I’m sure.
“Exposed to COVID at work? Call Schlemmecher and Schlemmecher to get the compensation you deserve!”
The Kroger Group and Amazon are already in the lawyer’s cross-hairs.
There are BIG bucks to be made.