The Kroger Group:
Red States, Blue States and everything in between.
Faraday bag
Pretty hard to prove you got it from a specific person or location in my estimation. I am pretty sure I got it here is not going to cut it in a court of law IMO.
I think you’ll find a lot of lawyers willing to take you up on that bet.
Perhaps. It would be a civil suit, so it might be a different standard of evidence.
I am not saying it is impossible, just very difficult.
You claim I gave you Rona, I say I didn’t. Where do we go from here? I don’t think me having it is sufficient evidence, when you could pick it up off of a piece of mail.
Most corporate liability concerns stems from civil suits, or at least I’d really, really hope so. Think in terms of non-compliance in an uncertain time (I’m beginning to really hate that phrase, even though I just used it) like now.
Let’s say you are, in-fact, one of these conservative straw men people believe are common or even representative of most conservatives. You own your own landscaping business with 4 employees. You take no precautions and expect your employees to carry out their jobs as they would under normal conditions, or they get fired. Yo know, the normal rules that apply as you cruise around in the crew cab together. Now they’ve all tested positive for the Crona.
Do you imagine a lawyer might take a call like that, or not?
In that case it is possible, yes. I am just saying it would have to be certain circumstances for me to be reasonably sure that is how they caught the virus.
In many cases, I think they would have to show that the owner / manager knew about cases, and didn’t take action or something similar to have a case. I am not a lawyer, so I am just saying what my perspective would be based on a criminal case in which I am a juror. Not really applicable.
Right we’re not talking about criminal charges here.
Being part of the leadership group of a mid-sized manufacturer, this is exactly the situation that we have been actively working to avoid since roughly March 9th, 2020. The first reason is that it is the right thing to do. The second reason is that we can do it without making too many compromises to the business. The third reason is that we are opening ourselves up to a massive lawsuit if we don’t.
Knock on wood, so far, so good.
Liability is always there in the background, no matter what the workplace issue might be. This is why it can be a lot harder to fire a psychopath than one might imagine.
Fwiw, the standard for a guilty verdict on civil suits is essentially “more likely guilty than not”. The amount of damages awarded is where the judge can decide how responsible the guilty party is.
Most companies will choose to settle. Most plaintiffs will choose to settle too.
Psychopaths are over represented at the top of companies. They get others fired.
I can agree with this. I am still unsure if it is an open close case, unless you are not following guidelines, and the person suing you can show that. I think you agree with that though (if you follow guidelines it will make you more immune to a suit).
Interesting. I am not a fan of that standard of guilt. It seems like we have too many suits as it is IMO.
That’s exactly what it is, on a basic level. That’s what I’m getting at about liability shaping behavior more than personal politics. That’s why I’m not surprised to see all kinds of businesses in my area, likely owned by people with a large spectrum of political opinions, going out-of-their-way to take every precaution they can while still allowing room for their business to operate.
This is how you get videoconferenced jiu jitsu lessons.
Agree. Most people will act based on their pocket books, or risks to their wallets independent of political identity.
My employer is family owned, and pretty conservative, and they are putting a lot of effort into following guidelines. I have heard them say that they think the guidelines are over board, but don’t want legal issues, so they follow.
There is a lot of good and bad to it. Really complicated and rabbit hole worthy. It’s a nice subject to bring up with my enviromental lawyer fiance when I’m looking to kill time on a long road trip haha
Just curious on the timing of that. I remember her issuing that restriction a while ago (with lots of pushback), is it still in effect?
Edit: this is apparently a false Facebook story that started circulating in mid April. You couldn’t smell something fishy from a mile away? Hopefully you aren’t spreading fake news stories around as fact elsewhere too.
Whitmer currently loves the power she is wielding over the state of Michigan. It’ll be fucking hilarious when she’s voted out.
Really? You find a state election in Michigan “fucking hilarious”? I know who i’m inviting to my first standup set haha.
Isn’t this how comedians have paid their bills for millennia?
touche.
