Is there any set of conditions where someone can be critical of Democrat policies without being hypocritical?
What does such a person look like to you?
You BET they canā¦when it is purely a Democratic Position.
Deficit spending is notā¦I repeat NOT one of them.
This bill, however, is. At least in its present state.
One point I would like to make to and about @anon50325502.
We have posted on this site for quite a while together. We have disagreed on a some things; agreed on others. To me, he is a valued poster.
I would hope that our disagreements are more like two Brothers disagreeing than as some mortal enemies at opposite ends of some bullshit political spectrum.
My apologies, @anon50325502. I was totally pissed at something I had just read (yes, it was political!) just before I read your comment.
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My promise, @twojarslave:
Iāll try and ease up on things that are legitimate criticisms.
With that said; it will be extremely hard for me not to call bullshit, bullshit when its posted.
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Wow.
Ho Lee Fuk.
The gay sex and designer drug stuff from the Bible thumpers.
I donāt care if they do any two together, but all three is just fucked up.
Actually, I donāt even care if they do all 3 simultaneously, just donāt get caught.
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Itās all good, man. I get it. We live in highly politicized and partisan times. Itās easy to read a comment and assume the intent is to criticize a party or ideology. Itās even easier to jump to whutaboutisms and point out hypocrisy between two almost identical parties. I do it all the time.
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Not cool Wuhan. Not cool at all.
For real, that is worrisome.
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Iām not seeing the logic behind this from a macro perspective(maybe itās true, maybe it isnāt). In this age of globalization, almost every other country in the world is trying to downplay their COVID related death tolls.
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Thatās because youāre doing it wrong. Take the following statement as axiomatic, and everything should flow, magicalogically if you will, from there:
All government is bad.
Iāve only taken 1 macro class, but this stimulus package + low productivity seems to be a textbook recipe for stagflation
Indeed.
And thanks.
Itās a moot point at least in the idea that anyone in power truly cares. Supposedly the party of fiscal conservatism ran someone who talked about defaulting on the debt, and we canāt have an issue because we can print our own money. And then proceeded to secure a massive tax cut without attempting to reduce any spending in the middle of solid economic times. I believe legalsteel said something like we didnāt fix the roof when it wasnāt raining. Well itās raining now.
Iām sure Republicans will counter with their own giant bill more akin to the stuff they enjoy and then everyone will settle on it. But the national debt isnāt something anyone will truly consider because no one in power cares. I suppose the good news is if Trump is back in office he said he would erase the debt in 8 years.
The people who should care donāt. Instead the people on a bodybuilding forum do.
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I agree completely, and my point is not to attack with whataboutism. Iām a fiscal conservative - and my point is fiscal recklessness in the past has opened us up to too much thinking that we can spend any dollar amount on the nationās credit card without consequences, especially in a national crisis (when we do need to spend something).
In short, Iām against the foolish and unnecessary $2.3 trillion tax cut and against the $3 trillion relief package that is mostly a grab bag of Democratic wish list priorities.
My point is because of the foolish tax cut, āconservativesā have lost the argument to say āwe canāt afford thatā as a pushback. And it makes no sense to say that we can put 2.5 trillion on the credit card in peacetime when the economy is doing great but not 3 trillion on it when weāre on a āwarā footing with a pandemic and flirting with a depression. How does this make sense?
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Oh, I am, weāre on the same page as far as that. See my other post to @flappinit. Weāre setting ourselves up to ānormalizeā this kind of spending because of dumb choices in the past re: tax cuts.
It makes sense when you realize Republicans ran (as far as I know in modern history) the least fiscally conservative candidate in history. Say what you will about Obamaās poor record on it, but he at least talked about cutting things with a scalpel and not an ax (if I remember right). Trump actually said none of the debt even matters. And Republicans came out in droves to support that. I guess defaulting on the debt or unlimited printing of money wasnāt nearly as concerning as someone who could get a crowd to chant lock her up?
A fun thought experiment would be that if a Republican proposed the same bill as Dems just did price wise (maybe add in or subtract the shit they like) would it be unlikely to pass? Assume Democrats donāt matter. Iām thinking the actual dollar amount isnāt what actually keeps Republicans from supporting it and we all know Trump would never veto it because of the debt.
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Therein lies my problem, @thunderbolt23.
Conservatives are trying to āpush backā (albeit to me with Paper-Tiger kind of arguments) by saying āthose damn Democrats, and their out-of-control spending!ā like they are some Feudal Lords squeezing the last cent out of the besieged Conservative peasants while they canāt do a damn thing about it.
Sorry. When I see or hear that, I call bullshit.
Iāve said it before. The DEMS need to fire their PR firm and hire the ones the GOP uses. Gain as much if not more benefits from these huge spending Bills while blaming the other party for it.
Pretty sweet deal if you ask me, @thunderbolt23.
If the price tag was the same, but the aid was a relief package to businesses - direct cash infusions to help businesses stay afloat - the GOP would pass it. I donāt say that with snark or criticism - itās fact, and the price tag wouldnāt be a concern.
The price tag for the Democratic bill is only a concern at the Congressional level because itās spending on āstuff we donāt likeā. If it was stuff the GOP liked, the number would be meaningless.
I want to get the thinking back to having a problem with spending too much and it doesnt matter of I like the stuff or not - itās too damn much.
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No need to apologize, and keep calling bullshit when you see it. Weāre in short supply of people who do.
I look around the GOP and all I see are bunch of wimps with their balls neatly put away in Trumpās jar.