Constant Tension vs Rest Pause

Training
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I think this actually a potentially pretty good bodybuilding discussion (which would be rare for this forum). Since I started training (just under 4 yrs) I have focused mainly on progressive overload in the 4-8 rep range. Primarily, because this is the kind of lifting that I “enjoy” the most and would leave me chomping at the bit to get back into the gym.

Now, I am still a newbie in this game, and my results have been a mixed bag. I have lost a 100 pounds of shit and increased my strength gains have been good, but probably far from what they could’ve been if I hadn’t taken wrong turns here and there throughout the three years. Also, I look like a normal fairly thick dude, but nothing like that bodybuilder look which is most of our goals.

I am not sure if this is due to most of my 3 years plus training years having been spent on fat loss or if the type of training I have done is part of the equation. So, generally speaking (I am not asking about any spefici situation, mine or otherwise) I would be interested on what most everyone else does in this regard? Why they choose to train that way? And, what are people’s feelings on this topic when not applied to a particular situation?

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

Yeah brah, you tell em, bodybuilding is not about getting stronger.[/quote]
Lol i didn’t meant it that way. I’m including in my routine about 20% Strength workouts, also i have some weeks of Strength training only (if i reach plateau) to Progressively increase your weight and gain, but i don’t think that Bodybuilder needs to focus on Strength too much.

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[quote]bambarumi wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

Yeah brah, you tell em, bodybuilding is not about getting stronger.[/quote]
Lol i didn’t meant it that way. I’m including in my routine about 20% Strength workouts, also i have some weeks of Strength training only (if i reach plateau) to Progressively increase your weight and gain, but i don’t think that Bodybuilder needs to focus on Strength too much.[/quote]

If your strength is in order then you dont have to focus on low rep heavy weights.

You still need to add weight to the bar every workout. I could see where there would be some confusion.

A powerlifter will rarely lift for 6 to 10 reps on every set like a bodybuilder would. I could see what your saying.

But don’t say it…

You must progress…if you bench 200 for x reps ( lets say 10 )every time you train chest for a year your not going to get far… if you add even a pound every week for a year, what kinda weights are you going to be lifting?

200 - 252

adding 2.5 pounds every workout =

200 - 330

imagine how much bigger you would be…

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Runs back to O35

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[quote]bambarumi wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
I told you that i just start doing squats and deadlifts (Was doing only stiff legged) i had some Knee problem.

Dude no offence but i dont like the way you look… your bodyfat is something like 30%+
and you look more like a Powerlifter.
400 pounds is not that impressive for 265 lbs guy.[/quote]

Dude, I’m cool with “looking like a powerlifter” (way to go insulting a whole forum of people bigger and stronger than you, btw). The fact is, 10%, 20%, 50% fat, wherever I go, literally, the conversation turns to asking me how much I lift (without my prompting). Incidentally, you have no idea what my BF is or could be (not that it really matters).

I’m not a “powerlifter” and I’m not a “bodybuilder”. I lift weights and in clothes I look like I lift weights.

Whether “400 lbs for a 265 lb guy” is impressive or not is irrelevant. What’s relevant is that what I’m doing in the gym is working- and it ain’t worrying about minutiae (and what Internet warriors think of my physique).

When’s the last time you attracted spectators with your lifts in a gym? While that may seem conceited an d indulgent, it’s not. I’m still a long way from where I want to be, but what it is is an indicator that I’m making real, noticeable progress. It’s an indicator that I’m starting to stand out, because that’s what strangers (like real people in person standing next to me, not iWarriors) tell me, increasingly more often.

I don’t consider myself ‘amongst the biggest and strongest’, yet, I still stand out in the gyms I go to regularly across the country.

Tell you what- you keep worrying about minutiae like “TUT” and “RP” and bodyfat percentage numbers. I’ll keep getting stronger.

Good luck, brah![/quote]

As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

If you don’t get stronger, you will not get bigger. end of story. bodybuilding isn’t about getting stronger? Have you ever watched Ronnie coleman train?

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[quote]kakno wrote:
I lift things up and put them down.

I suggest you do the same.[/quote]
x2 lol

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
I told you that i just start doing squats and deadlifts (Was doing only stiff legged) i had some Knee problem.

Dude no offence but i dont like the way you look… your bodyfat is something like 30%+
and you look more like a Powerlifter.
400 pounds is not that impressive for 265 lbs guy.[/quote]

Dude, I’m cool with “looking like a powerlifter” (way to go insulting a whole forum of people bigger and stronger than you, btw). The fact is, 10%, 20%, 50% fat, wherever I go, literally, the conversation turns to asking me how much I lift (without my prompting). Incidentally, you have no idea what my BF is or could be (not that it really matters).

I’m not a “powerlifter” and I’m not a “bodybuilder”. I lift weights and in clothes I look like I lift weights.

Whether “400 lbs for a 265 lb guy” is impressive or not is irrelevant. What’s relevant is that what I’m doing in the gym is working- and it ain’t worrying about minutiae (and what Internet warriors think of my physique).

When’s the last time you attracted spectators with your lifts in a gym? While that may seem conceited an d indulgent, it’s not. I’m still a long way from where I want to be, but what it is is an indicator that I’m making real, noticeable progress. It’s an indicator that I’m starting to stand out, because that’s what strangers (like real people in person standing next to me, not iWarriors) tell me, increasingly more often.

I don’t consider myself ‘amongst the biggest and strongest’, yet, I still stand out in the gyms I go to regularly across the country.

Tell you what- you keep worrying about minutiae like “TUT” and “RP” and bodyfat percentage numbers. I’ll keep getting stronger.

Good luck, brah![/quote]

As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

If you don’t get stronger, you will not get bigger. end of story. bodybuilding isn’t about getting stronger? Have you ever watched Ronnie coleman train?[/quote]

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[quote]DJS wrote:
Give me a T… Give me an R… Give me an O… Give me an L… Another L… what does that spell?[/quote]

who’s the troll??

youve posted beneath my last post but i assume youre not referring to me.

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[quote]flipya4it wrote:

[quote]DJS wrote:
Give me a T… Give me an R… Give me an O… Give me an L… Another L… what does that spell?[/quote]

who’s the troll??

youve posted beneath my last post but i assume youre not referring to me.[/quote]
OP

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wow, somebody believes you can get bigger w/o getting stronger? What does Ronnie say, everyone wants to be bodybuilder but nobody wants to lift those heavy ass weights?

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[quote]bambarumi wrote:
Constant Tension = you dont let oxygen to enter into the muscle and you keep muscle under the tension for whole set.
Rest-Pause = For example you are doing Db curls: if you let the weight all the way down it takes tension off the muscle so oxygen enters into the muscle…

So which is the better to do for Bodybuilding purposes? [/quote]

Whatever system which allows to really strain, some people like TUT like the DC calves protocol-great example- some like RP where the weight is unloaded for 10-30 seconds then repeated for rep(s).

Hope this helps

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[quote]deat wrote:
Former T-Nation poster “meganewb”

Dude focused on getting crazy strong, got hurt, still lifts redic’ heavy (he hit 675 x 10 DLing a few weeks ago), but fixed his diet and is ballin’

At 17 y/o at close to 400 lbs bw

At 20 y/o at 255

this guy doesn’t look to even be 220lbs, never mind 250.

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[quote]bambarumi wrote:
I told you that i just start doing squats and deadlifts (Was doing only stiff legged) i had some Knee problem.

Dude no offence but i dont like the way you look… your bodyfat is something like 30%+
and you look more like a Powerlifter.
400 pounds is not that impressive for 265 lbs guy.[/quote]

so all powerlifters look the same? and actually 400lb is a pretty decent bench @ 265, we are talking full range reps not any of that partial crap…

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]deat wrote:
Former T-Nation poster “meganewb”

Dude focused on getting crazy strong, got hurt, still lifts redic’ heavy (he hit 675 x 10 DLing a few weeks ago), but fixed his diet and is ballin’

At 17 y/o at close to 400 lbs bw

At 20 y/o at 255

this guy doesn’t look to even be 220lbs, never mind 250. [/quote]

Dude, shut up.

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
Constant Tension = you dont let oxygen to enter into the muscle and you keep muscle under the tension for whole set.
Rest-Pause = For example you are doing Db curls: if you let the weight all the way down it takes tension off the muscle so oxygen enters into the muscle…

So which is the better to do for Bodybuilding purposes? [/quote]

Whatever system which allows to really strain, some people like TUT like the DC calves protocol-great example- some like RP where the weight is unloaded for 10-30 seconds then repeated for rep(s).

Hope this helps

[/quote]
i like all the methods but i have one more question.
Does TUT really matters? (40-70 Seconds peer set for hypertrophy)
did anyone try that? or maybe slow reps only works for isolation moves?

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Here is the answer, the best workout is the one you currently aren’t doing. That’s how bodybuilding/training goes, nothing works forever, everyone reaches plateaus, there is a place for everything…TUT, RP, strength training, speed training, bodyweight training, giant sets, complexes, etc. I’ve used both and continue to use both of them regularly.

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[quote]Mike T. wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

Yeah brah, you tell em, bodybuilding is not about getting stronger.[/quote]
Lol i didn’t meant it that way. I’m including in my routine about 20% Strength workouts, also i have some weeks of Strength training only (if i reach plateau) to Progressively increase your weight and gain, but i don’t think that Bodybuilder needs to focus on Strength too much.[/quote]

If your strength is in order then you dont have to focus on low rep heavy weights.

You still need to add weight to the bar every workout. I could see where there would be some confusion.

A powerlifter will rarely lift for 6 to 10 reps on every set like a bodybuilder would. I could see what your saying.

But don’t say it…

You must progress…if you bench 200 for x reps ( lets say 10 )every time you train chest for a year your not going to get far… if you add even a pound every week for a year, what kinda weights are you going to be lifting?

200 - 252

adding 2.5 pounds every workout =

200 - 330

imagine how much bigger you would be…[/quote]

P= lbsXreps/rest time (not sure if I translated well in english—)
for example,if two years ago I was benching 200x9 and now it’s 250x9 im bigger&stronger but I presume this is a good way to gain size for pushing muscles not so sure for pulling groups,maybe a longer TUL with decent loads works better for lats&biceps?

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Yea maybe slow negatives works for Pulling exercises? Answer pls!

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[quote]bambarumi wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]bambarumi wrote:
I told you that i just start doing squats and deadlifts (Was doing only stiff legged) i had some Knee problem.

Dude no offence but i dont like the way you look… your bodyfat is something like 30%+
and you look more like a Powerlifter.
400 pounds is not that impressive for 265 lbs guy.[/quote]

Dude, I’m cool with “looking like a powerlifter” (way to go insulting a whole forum of people bigger and stronger than you, btw). The fact is, 10%, 20%, 50% fat, wherever I go, literally, the conversation turns to asking me how much I lift (without my prompting). Incidentally, you have no idea what my BF is or could be (not that it really matters).

I’m not a “powerlifter” and I’m not a “bodybuilder”. I lift weights and in clothes I look like I lift weights.

Whether “400 lbs for a 265 lb guy” is impressive or not is irrelevant. What’s relevant is that what I’m doing in the gym is working- and it ain’t worrying about minutiae (and what Internet warriors think of my physique).

When’s the last time you attracted spectators with your lifts in a gym? While that may seem conceited an d indulgent, it’s not. I’m still a long way from where I want to be, but what it is is an indicator that I’m making real, noticeable progress. It’s an indicator that I’m starting to stand out, because that’s what strangers (like real people in person standing next to me, not iWarriors) tell me, increasingly more often.

I don’t consider myself ‘amongst the biggest and strongest’, yet, I still stand out in the gyms I go to regularly across the country.

Tell you what- you keep worrying about minutiae like “TUT” and “RP” and bodyfat percentage numbers. I’ll keep getting stronger.

Good luck, brah![/quote]

As i told you its not about getting stronger its about bodybuilding
Good luck with getting strong and getting fat[/quote]

Holy fucking shit, thank the lord for the ignore button.

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TOTAL time under tension. 10 sets of 3 quality reps with decent speed is much better than 3 sets of 10 where the speed of each rep in the set slowly deteriorates, or where you save speed in the first reps so that you can hit 10 and feel the burn of lactate.