[quote]blazindave wrote:
orion wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Could the libertarian circle please tell me how they draw a line?
A knife a gun, a rifle,all OK, right?
100 rifles? Machine spring guns and mines? A tank batallion? Weapons of mass destruction?
What’s forbidden in Utopia?
I´d say enough to overthrow a government- That means including assault rifles.
This would almost go against the point. The second amendment (it is the second right?) came into existence because
“It is not the people who should fear the government, but the government fear the people”.
The united states came into existence because of a revolt against the government.
So to tell an american “if it can permit you to over throw a government, it’s too much” makes no sense, since it goes against the founding idea of the second amendment.
edit: And for the record, it is legal in england to own and operate/drive a TANK in the streets.[/quote]
That was the idea.
Enough firepower to overthrow a government.
I think assault rifles should be enough if a majority stands behind a revolution.
[quote]Nich wrote:
every school I have ever attended had an on campus police officer.
high school due to the size of the student body had a few,4 if I remember correctly along with private security.
also every school I went to had a police station a few miles away and response time for EMS or police was no different than anyplace else in the community about 3 mins but because of the police that was already on campus they had first responders.
some thing happens in class,teachers call the campus cop and he is there within a mater of moments.[/quote]
Under your analysis, because we have a cop in every school, then we should have been able to prevent every school shooting. But that’s not the case.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. To be precise, in the case of the school discussed in the original post, 30 minutes away.
[quote]Floortom wrote:
I’m glad we have strict gun control in Canada, although obviously criminals still get their hands on them.
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This doesn’t make any sense and is actually worrisome. If you don’t want a gun that’s fine, but why would you be glad we have a law that you admit doesn’t deter criminals from having guns while deterring everyone else?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You don’t see Americans lining up to tell you how stupid, and nutless you are for ceding that right to the government.
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We see americans lining up to tell us all kinds of nonsense that is none of their business. Since you see fit to group all “non-americans” into one entity, what you do personally is irrelevant.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I guess I should be used to it by now, the US seems to be all you non-americans have to talk about.
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When talking to americans, sometimes it is. Amazingly enough, sometimes when talking to australians, we talk about the differences between our countries. And when talking to the Chinese, we talk about the differences between our countries. You’re right, though, that it’s pathetic when non-americans discuss the topic at hand.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Under your analysis, because we have a cop in every school, then we should have been able to prevent every school shooting. But that’s not the case.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. To be precise, in the case of the school discussed in the original post, 30 minutes away.
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Did that school have a cop?
Even so, a single cop with a handgun may not be enough to take down a heavily armed invader. In terms of firepower/$, allowing the teachers to bring in weapons they already own is probably the most efficient way.
It seems that there should be someone, whether a school administrator or the local cop-shop or someone else, who should be keeping track each day of which teachers are carrying. That way if there’s an incident, everyone will know where a database exists with the names and phone numbers (do they have phones in each classroom?) of who to call for help.
Just tired of people like you looking over the fence and offering opinions when it is none of your fucking business. If you are happy being disarmed, then fine, no one cares. You don’t see Americans lining up to tell you how stupid, and nutless you are for ceding that right to the government.
Don’t see the American’s sticking their nose in other people’s business ever do we?[/quote]
Not private citizens, no. THe US is the baby sitter for the world. We are in the middle of shit whether we want to be, or not. Our activity around the globe is just part of the downside for your safety.
But please - show me an Aussie message board that is over run by mouthy, estrogen filled americans whining about your domestic policy.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
We see americans lining up to tell us all kinds of nonsense that is none of their business. Since you see fit to group all “non-americans” into one entity, what you do personally is irrelevant.[/quote]
Please. Do tell.
If it is so irrelevant, why must you guys show up here in this forum? I can see you guys coming here for the training and nutrition, but politics?
Irrelevant? Then you need to get a life.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I guess I should be used to it by now, the US seems to be all you non-americans have to talk about.
When talking to americans, sometimes it is. Amazingly enough, sometimes when talking to australians, we talk about the differences between our countries. And when talking to the Chinese, we talk about the differences between our countries. You’re right, though, that it’s pathetic when non-americans discuss the topic at hand.[/quote]
And you have to do it on an American-based board? Why? I’ve been here for several years, and I can count on one finger the number of threads in this forum that matches your lame-assed description.
For the most part, you don’t talk about any differences. You try and pass judgment on our society.
I just have to wonder how empty your lives are that some of you feel the need to live vicariously through the US.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:
We see americans lining up to tell us all kinds of nonsense that is none of their business. Since you see fit to group all “non-americans” into one entity, what you do personally is irrelevant.
Please. Do tell.
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Newfoundland Seal Hunt
Copyright Law
Gay Marriage
Iraq War
French
I’m sure there are others, but you get the point.
I showed up in this forum because I was curious about teachers carrying weapons and the way people would react to it. I didn’t realize it was meant to be private.
I think you misunderstood what I meant I was referring to with the irrelevance comment.
Wow.
My “lame-assed description” was taking into account talking to people from other countries, not just the PWI forum. Either way, I’m not much interested in arguing, I just replied because I don’t like getting lumped into a group of people I don’t agree with based on where I live, so I react to it.
As for the whining and vicarious living and passing judgement and whatnot, I’ll let the people who with whom you seem to think I agree answer for it.
I just do not think over-the-counter stinger missiles are a good idea.
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If you could convert them to ground to ground, I would love to have access to them. especially when some stupid cotton farmer is driving his John Deere with a 32’cultivator hooked to it on the state highway he hasn’t paid a fucking nickel to be on.
And it could end a lot of the traffic problems the big cities have.
I guarantee you the fucking cops would think twice about the bullshit “click it or ticket” campaign if they thought there might be a chance they would get blown to hell for invading one’s privacy.
I guarantee you the fucking cops would think twice about the bullshit “click it or ticket” campaign if they thought there might be a chance they would get blown to hell for invading one’s privacy. [/quote]
Wouldn’t that be nice. You know who I really hate? I hate that douchebag who makes all those commercials with the threatening voice saying, “We will catch you and you will get a ticket!” If I ever meet that guy I’m going to punch him square in the nose.
I guarantee you the fucking cops would think twice about the bullshit “click it or ticket” campaign if they thought there might be a chance they would get blown to hell for invading one’s privacy. [/quote]
Yup. It wasn’t until weaponry became small, light, and affordable that the ordinary people got any voice in government.
Would China be a repressive commie stinkhole if a lot of their people had handguns? Same for North Korea. If they had weapons, Kim Jung-Il would seriously get a bullet shot up his asshole.
FORM THEM it is a good idea
small town far away from help if something happens.
everyone knows everyone thats cool I love the idea of teachers carrying guns.
I live just out side Phoenix,arizona so I know the small town part,where the store employees have guns,everyone does but only place you cant take your gun is in the post office.
I grew up in the inner city and my kids still go to school in an inner city phoenix school.so i also see the side where not so many people carry guns(“legally anyways”)
with 1000 students which is a smaller sized high school around here,things can get too bad too chaotic too fast,
fights start,fights turn to riots and riots turn into pepper spray and juvie hall. its rare but it does happen
a place like that where you have people that may or may not be properly trained with a firearm in that type of situation is just a bit too risky for me.
if they are trained and I mean really trained in handling that kind of thing then fine,thats cool I say let them carry.
but I know for a fact that just because you have a CCW does not mean you know how to handle that firearm,and def. not in a fast,stressfull situation.
my kids schools. and alot of schools here have gates,some have metal dectors at the doors,guards,and police there.
schools are built in a way that you have to walk through one of very few gates to get to the school and it has teachers or guards at the gates and locked during school time.and students for the most part wear school uniforms , I dont know of high schools that do.but most all elementary and middle schools wear uniforms which help keep track of whos who.
the schools here are actually the safest place to go.
I have no idea where anyone would be worried about thier kids going to school and meeting a para-military force
But comparing America and Australia, Our gun related crime is very low. Guns are very hard to come by even for criminals and our police are just recently considering changing from 6 shot revolvers to semi-auto 9mm.
Wouldn’t the best approach be to limit the amount of firearms within a country?[/quote]
Who gives a shit what someone from Australia thinks?
[quote]AndyG wrote:
The other Australian wasn’t particularly impressed with the argument that if everyone has guns you can just shoot back.
Americans have an ingrained attitude that the righteous always wins and that grannys are going to blow away hardened crims.
Of course the idea of making guns less available to crims has no merit. They always make themselves known so that everyone else has a chance to shoot first.
I have a three year old. It’s very difficult to take away her toys too.[/quote]
You’re an idiot. I’m a gun owner, they’re not toys, they’re weapons. I’m very good with them, from safety to usage.