I guess im just too set in my ways and prefer my old school mentality regarding all this shit…
I think you’ll like this podcast Stu and I made last year.
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I think it’s too encompassing in the sense that it is used by people who have not designed them right, don’t have enough experience with them, or failed with them for whatever reason (shitty genetics, didn’t make the transition to them at a time when they were developed or strong enough to benefit from them, had a dim image of bodybuilders generally).
And as we’ve said over and over, the term is used in a disparaging way. The term bro in this context is used with the image of a steroid-using or genetically gifted gym dunce in mind who “has success in spite of what he does”, the go-to line many use to describe their effectiveness with some people.
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I’ll give it a listen… Thanks for link
I agree to a certain degree but wouldnt you say a lot of it is also genetics and response to anabolic drugs? There are guys at my gym who honestly dont know a single thing about hypertrophy and theyre still bigger and more muscular than me. And im really being generous with the “dont know a single thing about hypertrophy”. They literally ask the public coach of the gym what to do who has been giving everyone the exact same split since forever.
Is it possible instead that, based on the outcome, you may in fact not know a single thing about hypertrophy?
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…and here it is folks. This like the 1,000th time this discussion has come up and ended with this statement.
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I once built a boat but fuck me if I knew how that happened. I just whacked bits of wood with my head for years and the one day there’s just a boat in front of me.
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Whacking wood with your head may not always get you a boat, but it will almost always get you sailors.
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as a sailor, I approve of this message
I was once a seaman, too.
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haha, the minute I saw that I was about to tag you, Punny and @dt79 to share in the awesomeness.
Now all we need is for the discussion to turn into why natty lifters can’t use bodypart splits
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Oh drugs and genetics are important factors no doubt, but the point was that you don’t need to scientifically analyze minutiae to watch what seems to be working for you or not.
PEDs aside, plenty of people build decent physiques with less than stellar genetics and without PhDs. The point being that quoting a few studies will never trump the successful experiences of countless people who put in the time required to see the desired results.
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I know that eating adequate protein intake and being on a caloric surplus is what allows hupertrophy to happen. They think that BCAAs do that. I think that you should train muscles more frequently for mkre growth,they think absolutely killing onlt 1 bodypart once per week is the best thing to do. I think that to get leaner you need to be in a deficit,they think you should just do high reps on your workouts. You really do not have any idea what my gym is like.
Despite those ‘wrong’ beliefs though, they’ve achieved favorable results?
Dude ive had friends ive trained with who literally admitted they had no idea what they were doing and they still got bigger than me simply because of genetics. Im not saying this applies every single time,but it does happen. And roid use has become big in my gym,one day i saw a guy buying dianabol and the seller was telling him theyre “proteins”.
*correction: 1 or 2 friends. As i said it doesnt happen often,but it does happen
How do you know they weren’t in a caloric surplus enough days of the week to create a weekly positive balance?
I’ve seen studies that BCAAs play into stimulating protein synthesis.
Most of my lifting career was training each body part once a week and I built a pretty damn good base.
Perhaps the higher reps are allowing them to better target their individual muscle fiber types in certain areas of their body, thus giving the effect of being leaner/bigger at the same time.
I’m not trying to be a dick, but you sound pretty bitter that you aren’t further along than you are. Genetics will always play a role, but damn if plenty of people haven’t passed better genetics with hard work, intelligent planning and time.
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I know,i myself have surpassed a few people who had way better genetics than me because they were simply lazy fucks.
If they were it was purely coincidence and a diet filled with pastries and fast food. What im saying is they were doing something way less optimal than say what i was doing.
Not when protein intake was adequate. The vast majority of studies have shown that BCAAs effects are insignificant.
I’m not trying to get into an Internet argument, but this is such a weird phrase. “Didn’t know what they were doing” - it’s not rocket science. I’m not the lifter everyone else on this site is, so I’ll use a less controversial analogy: when I was in the Army everyone “pretended” they wanted to go to Ranger school/ selection or whatever so they needed some super-awesome training plan. Weirdly, the dudes that just ran and rucked until their legs hurt every day did fine, and the “optimal” geniuses found some reason the cadre wasn’t being fair or they realized they were actually too smart for the job and didn’t need it in their lives and were not there in week 2.
On the flip side, if someone is just naturally better than you at things, that’s life and who cares?
Anyway, the point is just lift things without being smart. Watch Rocky IV - it’s a documentary.
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