That would be my tactic.
Copy that. Thank you for your input here. I’m new to PCT - I know physically I’m in a good spot, so I just want to be careful and not mess me up.
Thank you Hardartery and everyone else.
@Systemlord you said brother finally came off TRT recently in this post, and your body producing again? do you think producing optimal Normal amounts or not? and did you have any of the Two types of Hypogonadism before TRT? just curious to know if your testes are firing 100% and producing anything naturally over 900 ng/DL??
Testicles are very active, they have dropped and there is movement that only occurs when testicles are functioning properly. It’s looking like vascular issues which could easily cause low energy, low libido and weak erections.
Just so happens LH was never tested prior to TRT. Misdiagnosis is very common in sick care, doctors rush through the process so they can move onto the next patient often missing the big picture.
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Your a FREAK of Nature lucky blessed then man, you used no PCT you let your body naturally produce TEST with no drug PCT intervention at all No HCG, No Nolvadex after 2.5 years on TRT? and it worked for your HPTA in 1 month 4 weeks? @systemlord curious very much brother. sounds like Wonderful if you used zero invention pct drugs.
Any libido updates since coming off?
So do you plan staying off of TRT?
Libido and erections is sporadic as well as muscle soreness/hardness, weeks ago joints were in bad shape cracking and popping and now seem to be healing. I’m starting to believe my low testosterone was the result of iron deficiency. Withdraw off certain medications (benzos) can deplete you of core minerals and vitamins which can see hormones decline as a result.
The question is my natural production high enough to be optimal. I will see what I can accomplish naturally before considering TRT.
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Interesting journey, systemlord. When will you be taking labs next as a natty?
Over the last decade we have done almost a thousand restarts. One thing I can tell you for sure is 250 IU HCG is not enough for a restart. There are studies showing 250 IU will maintain fertility, but that is the last thing to go in regards to suppressing the HPTA. At this point your testes are barely working. When doing a restart, you need to stimulate the leydig cells and see if they are capable of producing testosterone in their maximal capacity. Don’t worry about leydig over stimulation, this is a myth. It is not seen clinically, in dosages that are FDA approved. Our suggestion, under the supervision of a physician of course, would be to start HCG at 1,500 IU 3x per week. Do this for 2-3 months, then retest while on the HCG. If you get labs and your TT is high, then the HCG worked and you can move on to getting your LH and FSH going. Hope this helps.
If you’re trying to actually restart, don’t play around. Hit it with a good dose.
Please define.
If I was on HCG the whole time I was on TRT , and 175 ED for past two weeks, will 30 days of Clomid only get me where I need to be?
What sides should I expect from Clomid?
I’ll be ceasing hcgًًً once the Clomid comes in, should I anticipate a crash or any lul in natural production once I’m off Clomid (and everything else for that matter?
PCT is done using Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) when possible. The Clomid should be for about 6 weeks, and you will probably crash a little.
Doc would only get me 30 days Clomid 50MG, and recommended 175IU(300iu but I have my solution more concentrated) HCG for the same 30 days.
With this, would you recommend the HCG with or no? I was just going to run the Clomid, and hope for the best.
Also, how long of a crash? After this crash I would assume I’m at ‘baseline’ for normal HPTA function? How long until I would be baseline?
Here’s the thing. HCG mimics LH. You take Clomid to get the pituitary to start pushing out more LH. It would seem counterproductive to run the two together.
Duely noted. And what about my questions on baseline?
Btw, I appreciate you following up on this post after so long. Thank you.
I cannot predict your baseline, but I would expect 6 weeks. The crash should not be super hard though.
If they are tabs should I taper?
50/50/25/25 if caps I may not be able to
I’ll run Clomid once it arrives, running the 300iu HCG ED until then. I will probably get it this week. 30 days would put my beginning of July. 6 weeks from then it mid August. I will post labs then for everyone interested.
Again, thank you hardartery for the info, and everyone else that contributed.
I have always wondered have there actually been people that have had successful restarts and there lives return back to normal?
Absolutely, I would say its right around half and half. We had one guy who was 55 years old, after coming off TRT for 5 years, get his TT up in the 900’s
It is definitely possible. Most HPTA restarts fail because people don’t do a high enough dosage of HCG, or they don’t do it long enough.