But still I do not understand why do you want to cause yourself to feel fucked up again? Why don’t you make a sperm analysis now and increase a bit the HCG and make new sperm analysis?
I stopped TRT after 2.5 years 5 weeks ago and already strongly believe my body is already producing again. Yesterday I felt a very familiar sensation which only happens when I increase my weekly testosterone dosage.
My joints were in bad shape only several days ago and now joints seem like they are on the mend.
What was your protocol coming off?
Update: Protocol from doc is
175IU HCG ED and 50mg Clomid ED for 30 days.
Thoughts? Concerns with running both at same time? Goal is to be off everything, have normalized TT, FT, E, LH and FSH and have fertility.
I stopped injecting testosterone and toughed it out, only took 4 weeks for my HPTA to fire up again.
How bad were sides? How’d you feel?
Doc prescribe clomid 50mg along with HCG 175IU for 30 days, together. Is there any issue running them together? I’ve read various things. Been running HCG alone 250iu MWF and feel fineish.
You don’t have to come off TRT for fertility. Plenty of men use TRT with HCG, including myself, and I am going on my second kid this summer.
This is not TRT. Winstrol is not TRT and nandralone is not TRT. 200 mg of T per week is not TRT either.
This is a paltry dose that likely will do nothing for fertility.
Why not see a doctor and see what prescribes for HCG? For HCG monotherapy, doses vary widely for individual men. It can actually be up to 10,000 IU per week.
I used 1000 IU thrice per week with TRT for fertility and now use 500 IU twice a week with TRT to maintain fertility and will stay on til I am done having kids.
Most men on HCG monotherapy and TRT do not even need anastrozole.
Have you considered going to a doctor who knows what he’s doing for fertility and TRT?
Your doc prescribes winstrol and nandralone for TRT?
Why not see what a doctor prescribes for fertility and the results for a fertility test.
No internet advice replaces what a solid doc does.
Yeah that is what it was, but I am coming off now. I’m already on week 2 of being “off”. Just need opinions on what I’ve been given to run…
175iu (350iu rly … Just a 11,000 vial with 5.5ml rather than 11ml in it) ED HCG AND 50mg clomid ED for 30 Days together.
Thoughts?
That puts me dead at the top of the range, so it would be TRT. If you are alluding to this being a blast or cycle, you are sadly misinformed about what those are and what people do for actual performance enhancement.
Put me around 955 TT
I actually almost wrote “it isn’t TRT for most”, which I possibly should have wrote. Anyway, 100 mg per week will have many in the 500 to 1000 range.
It’s actually nothing close to a blast and I don’t think it would result in outrageous muscle and performance gains for many.
I’ve followed bodybuilding since '96 and have an IFBB pro and NPC-veteran close friends. I know the deal. I actually once met a well-known powerlifter who about a decade ago casually told me he used 2,500 mg of T per week when nearing a meet.
2.5g of Test… geez lol
But back to my original post, can someone verify if what I plan to do is going to mess me up or get to a good place?
Primarily if Clomid and HCG can be taken together.
Yes, they can be taken together, but generally are not. Tht’s a lot of Clomid, and a little risky to combine that dose with a lot of HCG. Why not try Nolvadex with one or the other of these first?
And coming from Strongman, 2.5 is a mild dose. There were guys as high as 12 grams a week. There’s a reason almost all of the guys in SM have a goatee or beard and no hair - 1 gram a week is a baseline unrelated to cycle for many.
Can you’ve explain the risk? Really only have Anastrozole, clmoid and hcg at my disposal. Just trying to utilize what I have as best as I can. Any help is appreciated. I have been running HcG the entire time.
The first two weeks was the roughest, I expected it to get much worse but it never did. I still feel tired midday which is a common complaint of low T suffers.
Running HCG and Clomid for 30 days to hopefully transition easier. Would there be a crash after this?
Why is 200mg not TRT? You really can’t say a mg isn’t TRT without labs. Im at 161mg a week 23mg a day with low shbg. Many here would say i should be taking half that daily with bottom of the range shbg but my levels could still come up a bit and still be in range, and the lab I use only go up to 250-836/48-250. I dont know much about the other AAS listed its never good to tell people a certain dose or total T is to high for anyone without labs. Its why most of us ended up going private because of rediculous things Drs would say without any kind of facts to back up the statement
HCG is mimicing LH, so your pituitary will not produce LH as it sees the level as being fine. Clomid stimulates the pituitary to release LH by binding E2 receptors and fooling the body into thinking that there is not enough Estradiol - causing a subsequent rush to produce test so that the test can be converted to Estrogen. They are at odds with each other and they both elevate E2 over and above normal aromatisation. Less is more.
You can see my other post in which I clarified my statement.
So with that being said it would be best to cease HCG and then start the Clomid?
Balls are back I believe as I ran HCG since starting TRT… mainly the pituitary at this point I think.