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[quote]gregor_mud wrote:
BYU’s star running back was also out – all game. Harvey Unga losing him changed BYU’s approach.

BYU’s defense was giving Sam Bradford trouble when he was in. Bradford only threw for 96 yards in the first half while OU’s running backs (arguably the best in the country) couldn’t muster more than 120 yards all game. BYU’s offense still beat OU’s D.

In the end, the OU defense was fully intact, yet the batch of All-American candidates couldn’t stop the BYU passing attack when it mattered late in the fourth quarter. Yes, their heisman trophy winning QB was injured…but who let the QB get roughed up? Who failed in that regard? OU’s OL.

By the time 2nd quarter was running down, no one was jeering that “byu is gonna get run out of town”. It was a close game, and if your whole team depends on one player, something is wrong. [/quote]

i agree…except if BYU lost Hall they would have been in an even worse position than Oklahoma. Losing one of the best QB’s in the nation, in the first half is going to put a HUGE dent on any teams offense.

Utah is my team and i love seeing the MWC do well, but it would have been much harder for BYU to win if Bradford had not been hurt. But great job BYU, they brought their best game and pulled off a great upset. Congrats the the BYU program!

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Can’t wait for Miami to go up to Doak Campbell and stomp all over FSU.

How 'bout BYU pulling the upset? Yeah, it sucks that Bradford got hurt but I thought BYU’s D looked great even when he was in. OU definitely has some O-line issues to work out. Bama-Va. Tech was a great game as well. Just two physical football teams going at it.

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[quote]Rocker3829 wrote:
WOW OU missed a 54 yard FG, they only have one timeout left, BYU just has to run the last 1:28 off the clock, wow the mountain west adds to their BCS argument[/quote]

x2 on the MWC argument. I am not saying that BYU would have won the game if Bradford played all the way through, but I wish BYU would have beat them with Bradford because the BCS is going to use it as an excuse.

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[quote]vikingrob wrote:
gregor_mud wrote:
BYU’s star running back was also out – all game. Harvey Unga losing him changed BYU’s approach.
BYU’s defense was giving Sam Bradford trouble when he was in. Bradford only threw for 96 yards in the first half while OU’s running backs (arguably the best in the country) couldn’t muster more than 120 yards all game. BYU’s offense still beat OU’s D. In the end, the OU defense was fully intact, yet the batch of All-American candidates couldn’t stop the BYU passing attack when it mattered late in the fourth quarter. Yes, their heisman trophy winning QB was injured…but who let the QB get roughed up? Who failed in that regard? OU’s OL. By the time 2nd quarter was running down, no one was jeering that “byu is gonna get run out of town”. It was a close game, and if your whole team depends on one player, something is wrong.

i agree…except if BYU lost Hall they would have been in an even worse position than Oklahoma. Losing one of the best QB’s in the nation, in the first half is going to put a HUGE dent on any teams offense.
Utah is my team and i love seeing the MWC do well, but it would have been much harder for BYU to win if Bradford had not been hurt. But great job BYU, they brought their best game and pulled off a great upset. Congrats the the BYU program!

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Go Utes!

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[quote]gregor_mud wrote:
BYU’s star running back was also out – all game. Harvey Unga losing him changed BYU’s approach.
BYU’s defense was giving Sam Bradford trouble when he was in. Bradford only threw for 96 yards in the first half while OU’s running backs (arguably the best in the country) couldn’t muster more than 120 yards all game. BYU’s offense still beat OU’s D. In the end, the OU defense was fully intact, yet the batch of All-American candidates couldn’t stop the BYU passing attack when it mattered late in the fourth quarter. Yes, their heisman trophy winning QB was injured…but who let the QB get roughed up? Who failed in that regard? OU’s OL. By the time 2nd quarter was running down, no one was jeering that “byu is gonna get run out of town”. It was a close game, and if your whole team depends on one player, something is wrong. [/quote]

youre lookin at just the stats though. if you watched the game, you would have seen that murray and brown were both getting first downs left and right. while their stats may not have been quite that impressive, they were still makin plays.

and the bradford/gresham combo was really more important than you make it sound gunslinger. if you have players like that, you base your offense around them. its just that to much of their offense was based on bradfords abilities.

i dont think the defense did too terribly bad. 2 int, held byus running game down pretty well. what got them was the passing game and a few crucial penalties. pitta got several catches in a row, and by the time ou’s secondary pulled their heads out of their asses, hall had a new target.

i totally agree though about the o line. if it got shaped up a little better, then no doubt we could make better use of murray and brown. this was a good game to show the sooners where they were at and what they need to work on. very humbling too.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Eielson wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
BYU stuns OU, wow. Hello #3 ranking.

You can’t really expect to win against a ranked team when your Heisman Trophy winner goes down in the first half. Not to mention that the best receiving tight end in the nation, and possibly all-time TD leader for his position by the end of the season, was already hurt.

OU’s O-line is the problem…it will continue to be their problem. Oh and the defense didn’t look too great…but it’s early. Plenty of time before Oct.17th :wink:

Our line, that was supposedly so great last year, looked just like this last year against TCU. Outside of all the false starts that is. We couldn’t run the ball. The real difference is that our passing game wasn’t as good. Of course, Bradford and Gresham being out can have that effect.

I’m not sure what you were watching to say that OU’s defense didn’t look too great. As long as Reynolds doesn’t get hurt again, this defense looks like it might be one of the finest in the Stoops era.[/quote]

Not with that secondary it won’t.

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Good stuff. Oklahoma losing is wonderful. Injuries are a part of football. I remember reading in some magazine that Oklahoma supposedly had the #3 best backfield in all of America with their stable of running backs.

Where were they?

This will be an epic year for college football, but at least my boys are still killin’ it.

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I don’t understand the merits of OU’s no huddle system… it’s just as big a delay when the entire freaking team looks toward the sideline at the smoke signals their coaches are sending them, and doesn’t it tire the O line out to squat down in the stance for so long?

Could someone explain?

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The no huddle offense is not meant to be so slow and sluggish, they are not running it the way it was meant. The proper was is for everyone to line up, the QB calls out some number, letter, or color, and then they hike the ball. Linemen don’t get tired in their stance, they could sit there for minutes, they sit in that stance so much that it is second nature. If anything it is easy, in the off-season, linemen can sit in that stance while holding a 45 lb plate.

The no huddle can be good, but also bad because it tires out the offense as a whole much faster.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Pull the plug on this OU team, they’re finished. That ballyhooed defense sucked just as bad as last year’s unit. There are no adjectives to describe how horrid the OL was. The 4th Qtr delay of game on 4th and goal is 100% on the coaching staff; no excuses Stoops. That’s on your head, and it probably cost OU the game.
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It was hard to gauge the running game due to so many penalties on the o-line. How many times did Murray or Brown have 5 to 8 yard run on first down only to have it called back due to penalty? Four or five times? It took the whole offense out of any rhythm they had.

If you had told me before the game that the OU defense was going to hold BYU to 14 points, I would have been satisfied. With that said, how many 3rd and long situations did BYU’s offense convert on their last drive? When OU needed one more stop on defense, they couldn’t get it. Just like in the losses to Texas and Florida last season.

In the post game, Kevin Wilson took full responsibility for the delay of game penalty.

Even with Bradford, after this performance, I would have OU ranked no higher than 15. And that may be too generous.

They better figure something out or Tulsa will beat them, nevermind Miami.

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Stoops, you’ve fucked this one up good. [/quote]

Stoops and his coaching deserve criticism, no doubt, but they can’t go out on the field and play the game. It was a total team loss, from the coaches down to every player that stepped on the field.

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Tebow hate on this thread = epic lulz. What else could this guy do to prove to you that he’s better than even the back-up QB on a JV team? I don’t even know where to begin with you guys.

OSU is going to get cock-pounded by USC again.

UGA & LSU = overrated, yet again.

I found it fascinating that Bama seemed to completely dominate VT last night…except where it mattered. Something like 500 total yards to 200 or something, but Beemer ball was in full effect. Gotta admit that it worked pretty well, but I would think Beemer would even want SOME offense.

UF does not need to sit on the Vols. At all. Yes, they played a girls high school squad, but note that Tennessee had stud recruiting classes nearly ever year (even recently) under Fulmer. The athletes are there. I’m not predicting them to win the SEC East or anything, but they aren’t going to roll over like Smokey and let you rub their belly any more.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Good stuff. Oklahoma losing is wonderful. Injuries are a part of football. I remember reading in some magazine that Oklahoma supposedly had the #3 best backfield in all of America with their stable of running backs.

Where were they?

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Not sure if you watched the game, but the backs didn’t play that bad. Every time they had a run of 5 or more yards it was called back. There was no chance of the offense getting any rhythm.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Tebow hate on this thread = epic lulz. What else could this guy do to prove to you that he’s better than even the back-up QB on a JV team? I don’t even know where to begin with you guys.

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The point is not whether he is good. The point is that some idiot in the sports media made the statement that Tebow is the greatest player in the history of the universe and now everyone repeats it.

Without a great defense, Florida doesn’t win the National Title (see 2007 and 2008 for comparison). Without a great O-line, Tebow has no time to throw or holes to run the ball.

He is a talented player surrounded by other talented players, which makes for a great team.

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Navy almost beat Ohio State. Damn turnovers! And even though I live in Ohio, my son is at Navy and I graduated from Michigan.

Go Blue!!!

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Good stuff. Oklahoma losing is wonderful. Injuries are a part of football. I remember reading in some magazine that Oklahoma supposedly had the #3 best backfield in all of America with their stable of running backs.

Where were they?

This will be an epic year for college football, but at least my boys are still killin’ it.[/quote]

edit: dustin already touched on most of this post. although his point is that ou’s o-line had too many penalties, my point is that they just suck right now. very little blocking, a bit of trouble makin holes. they just need to shape up.

do you even understand what youre talkin about? you realize it takes a pretty good o-line to make use of any running game you have, right? if you watched the game, or have even kept up with ou at all, you would know that 4 of our 5 linemen are new. so to answer your question, they were all over the field, but they were set back by the 90 and some change penalty yards. now byu had their fair share of penalties, but most of them were defensive, and usually followed by an offensive penalty on our side during a big play by murray and brown.

we had 2 1000+ yard running backs last year because we had one of the best o-lines in the country. most high school teams could have pulled that off with that line. as soon as they straighten out, we’ll be right there hangin with tulsa and miami, and hopefully texas.

and why the hell is everyone so excited about ou losing?

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
That ballyhooed defense sucked[/quote]

Did everybody go retarded on T-Nation or something? Let’s just tell it like it is, if you truly believe that…you’re a moron. They gave up 14 points to the #20 rated team in the nation. I’ve never heard of anybody saying that a defense sucks for giving up 14 points.

No, that is on the backup freshman quarterback. The fullback even was telling him the playclock was low.

Do you have any idea who Jermaine Gresham is? Considering we lost by 1, and that he caught 14 touchdown passes last year, I do think he could have made THAT much of a difference.

Yeah, Stoops sucks.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The no huddle offense is not meant to be so slow and sluggish, they are not running it the way it was meant. The proper was is for everyone to line up, the QB calls out some number, letter, or color, and then they hike the ball. Linemen don’t get tired in their stance, they could sit there for minutes, they sit in that stance so much that it is second nature. If anything it is easy, in the off-season, linemen can sit in that stance while holding a 45 lb plate.[/quote]

It didn’t look so great last night, but last season it worked great. We didn’t always run it fast, but we could, and it usually worked pretty well. The best thing that it does is it keeps the same defense on the field. We could switch to any formation and be fine, because we had runningbacks who were natural receivers, a tight end who was basically a big receiver, and fullbacks who could and very often did play tight end.

It didn’t look too great last night, but you also have to consider that Gresham wasn’t playing and that Bradford got hurt at half.

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BYU was ranked #20 coming in. They were #9 until TCU crushed the life out of them in Ft Worth last year. It’s not like OU lost to Richmond or William and Mary. If OU wins out from here on they are in a BCS bowl, possibly for the title. Somebody mentioned OU running the ball like they did against TCU last year. Not too many people ran the ball against TCU last year.

Last night I saw Stephen F. Austin, a 1AA school, outplay SMU for most of the game. SMU is in deep trouble this year. June Jones is way overpaid. Tons of hot women go to SMU.

I’m wondering what kind of wounded animal awaits when my Frogs travel to Virginia for the opener next week.

Didn’t get to see the Bama game but loved the result.

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[quote]SpankMeElmo wrote:
SSC wrote:
Good stuff. Oklahoma losing is wonderful. Injuries are a part of football. I remember reading in some magazine that Oklahoma supposedly had the #3 best backfield in all of America with their stable of running backs.

Where were they?

This will be an epic year for college football, but at least my boys are still killin’ it.

edit: dustin already touched on most of this post. although his point is that ou’s o-line had too many penalties, my point is that they just suck right now. very little blocking, a bit of trouble makin holes. they just need to shape up.

do you even understand what youre talkin about? you realize it takes a pretty good o-line to make use of any running game you have, right? if you watched the game, or have even kept up with ou at all, you would know that 4 of our 5 linemen are new. so to answer your question, they were all over the field, but they were set back by the 90 and some change penalty yards. now byu had their fair share of penalties, but most of them were defensive, and usually followed by an offensive penalty on our side during a big play by murray and brown.[/quote]

Chill out, bro. I know what I’m talking about just fine when discussing football. I use to play on the line, I realize its importance. Granted, I worded my post poorly, but I wasn’t impressed by much from Oklahoma at all. Could be that I read too many sportswriter’s blogs, but I kept hearing over and over that their O-Line was shaping up to be as good as last years.’ It wasn’t even close. Either way, they have a lot of work to do if they hope to come close to touching Texas this year.

Baylor played fairly well, and took advantage of getting to play against a back-up QB. If you’d heard anything about Landry Jones, he did quite well at a smaller school. He should have been able to play through the game, especially if he is, in fact, on the third best team in the nation.

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we had 2 1000+ yard running backs last year because we had one of the best o-lines in the country. most high school teams could have pulled that off with that line. as soon as they straighten out, we’ll be right there hangin with tulsa and miami, and hopefully texas.

and why the hell is everyone so excited about ou losing?[/quote]

I never had a problem with OU until we played 'em in the Championship last year. That, and they go to a BCS bowl every year and find some epic way to fail.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Navy almost beat Ohio State. Damn turnovers! And even though I live in Ohio, my son is at Navy and I graduated from Michigan.

Go Blue!!! [/quote]

“Hey listen-Ohio State sucks”
Signed Lindale White
My alma is Boston College so I of course will be pulling for them.
Esp when the beat Notre Dame. Again. The most overrated team in athletics