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[quote]Rocker3829 wrote:
WARNING!!! KINDA LONG POST!

After reading a bunch of the previous posts in this thread, I have noticed one key thing and it really sickens me as it is the only thing about College Football at the 1A level that I do not like ; the human perception determine who not only gets into certain bowls but who is also the national champion. The polls rate teams basically on how good they are and what they’ve done. As always this is highly disputable between everyone and the biggest cases for this season are obviously the Big 12 and SEC conferences and who is stronger. The NFL has the same thing, except for one key difference, something many of us want; A DAMN PLAYOFF SYSTEM!!! and not just any playoff system, an 8 TEAM One! 8 is the key number because you can equally represent the major conferences while giving the small guys a chance at the title as well. It is simple, the six major BCS conferences send their champion into the playoff, while two of the mid-major conferences send their champions into the mix. Now how would this work to get to this point and once we get to this point how is this gonna actually work? The answer is simplier than y’all may think.

The first games of the college football season took place on August 28th-30th weekend. Move the first week of games back to the previous week (the 23rd being that saturday). Each team plays 12 games and has only ONE bye week(that way it is fair to all teams across the board to be in the same boat) so that makes a total of 13 weeks. The “13th” week would be November 15th(that saturday) weekend. Have a week off, then play the conference championships the next weekend, the November 29th weekend. Take the conference champions from the current BCS and put them into the playoff pool. I still am not sure on how to fairly get one or two of the mid-majors conference champions in the playoff pool but that will be for another day :slight_smile:

Start the Bowls as they normally would on the 20th of December, but make sure they all end on the weekend of January 3rd.

Then start the 8 team playoff on January 10th and run it on the 17th and the championship game on the 24th. Most likely this will be the off week for the NFL before the Super Bowl. This would still give the full national attention to the college game at that time.

This is obviously a rough draft but the scheduling is there. This would hopefully help eliminate the human perception of how good a team is when this season and last season prove how against the poll system every week(how many top 5 teams have lost this year already? We thought last year was a lot, this year could actually be HIGHER! when it is all said and done!)[/quote]

Rocker:

I’m with you 100% on this one.

But I think that the Big 12 and SEC AS CONFERENCES have to have member schools get royally screwed a few more times before any thought of a playoff even gets out of committee. (My understanding is that the BCS is here AT LEAST until 2012).

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
WARNING!!! KINDA LONG POST!

After reading a bunch of the previous posts in this thread, I have noticed one key thing and it really sickens me as it is the only thing about College Football at the 1A level that I do not like ; the human perception determine who not only gets into certain bowls but who is also the national champion. The polls rate teams basically on how good they are and what they’ve done. As always this is highly disputable between everyone and the biggest cases for this season are obviously the Big 12 and SEC conferences and who is stronger. The NFL has the same thing, except for one key difference, something many of us want; A DAMN PLAYOFF SYSTEM!!! and not just any playoff system, an 8 TEAM One! 8 is the key number because you can equally represent the major conferences while giving the small guys a chance at the title as well. It is simple, the six major BCS conferences send their champion into the playoff, while two of the mid-major conferences send their champions into the mix. Now how would this work to get to this point and once we get to this point how is this gonna actually work? The answer is simplier than y’all may think.

The first games of the college football season took place on August 28th-30th weekend. Move the first week of games back to the previous week (the 23rd being that saturday). Each team plays 12 games and has only ONE bye week(that way it is fair to all teams across the board to be in the same boat) so that makes a total of 13 weeks. The “13th” week would be November 15th(that saturday) weekend. Have a week off, then play the conference championships the next weekend, the November 29th weekend. Take the conference champions from the current BCS and put them into the playoff pool. I still am not sure on how to fairly get one or two of the mid-majors conference champions in the playoff pool but that will be for another day :slight_smile:

Start the Bowls as they normally would on the 20th of December, but make sure they all end on the weekend of January 3rd.

Then start the 8 team playoff on January 10th and run it on the 17th and the championship game on the 24th. Most likely this will be the off week for the NFL before the Super Bowl. This would still give the full national attention to the college game at that time.

This is obviously a rough draft but the scheduling is there. This would hopefully help eliminate the human perception of how good a team is when this season and last season prove how against the poll system every week(how many top 5 teams have lost this year already? We thought last year was a lot, this year could actually be HIGHER! when it is all said and done!)

Rocker:

I’m with you 100% on this one.

But I think that the Big 12 and SEC AS CONFERENCES have to have member schools get royally screwed a few more times before any thought of a playoff even gets out of committee. (My understanding is that the BCS is here AT LEAST until 2012).

Mufasa

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I’ve wanted a 16 team playoff since about 1983. And you’re right, once the Big 12 and SEC got hosed, things might be different. PSU has been undefeated and untied 4 times and didn’t get “voted” a MNC.

So why even play the games, just give Miami 3 more MNCs since we knew they’d beat PSU, Bama, and OSU. how about one in 05 for the greatest team ever, USC?

Polls have bias that people don’t even realize other than the blatant stuff. I’ve seen seen a fan of football from the south that ever thought a Northern team could beat them. Or others never though one could beat a USC. And it goes on.

My favorite was Miami in 86. I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica right before the bowl game wearing PSU stuff all the time. a lot of Miami fans were there telling me how PSU was going to get hammered and such.

I just stayed nice and calm and told them they were wrong, PSU was going to win. funny thing was these guys were starting to get a little bothered.

I just told them to watch the game and remember that guy from Pa., since I wouldn’t get achance to say I told you so.

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I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal. To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

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I’d also love to see a playoff but the +1 system is much more likely(let the BCS games play out, take the 2 highest rated after those games and play 1 more).

I was so surprised when I heard that they were adding a stand alone “BCS National Championship Game” and that it WASN’T the +1 system.

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[quote]Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.[/quote]

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team.

Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

[/quote]

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.

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[quote]Bullit wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.[/quote]

I think you’re right about not allowing that, but I would love to see it. Start the bowls sooner and end it all by the first week in january.

I think it would make for some interesting football if say an LSU had to come up to Pa. in mid december. But I doubt it would evr happen as you said. and my conference, ugh, how I hate saying that, wouldn’t be to helpful.

the Big Ten might be the most backwards ass of all conferences. they had a such a boner for the rose bowl for years that I seriously think these people would rather win that than the MNC. At leas that’s how it seemed to me when I went to chiropractic college in Iowa from 85-88.

You would think that football was played no where else. Of course to me at least, it seems the south runs that way too, along with Texas.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.

I think you’re right about not allowing that, but I would love to see it. Start the bowls sooner and end it all by the first week in january.

I think it would make for some interesting football if say an LSU had to come up to Pa. in mid december. But I doubt it would evr happen as you said. and my conference, ugh, how I hate saying that, wouldn’t be to helpful.

the Big Ten might be the most backwards ass of all conferences. they had a such a boner for the rose bowl for years that I seriously think these people would rather win that than the MNC. At leas that’s how it seemed to me when I went to chiropractic college in Iowa from 85-88.

You would think that football was played no where else. Of course to me at least, it seems the south runs that way too, along with Texas.

[/quote]

I can tell you this much - a conference championship doesn’t even cross the mind of anybody here in Columbus until we lose 2 games. No offense taken but maybe you went to chiropractic school in Chicago?

Because you can be sure that Northwestern probably sets it’s sights on a conference championship. Aside from them and maybe Purdue, Minnesota and Indiana I would beg to differ. The same can be said in the SEC for Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy and a few others I’m sure.

Again, no offense taken - I really just wanted to say that before there is a playoff these greedy universities need to eliminate their conference championship games…either that or somehow convince the rest of the non-conference championship leagues to succumb to even the playing field.

We (Buckeyes) and others would be in an a very advantage position over conferences with playoffs, and not only due to the extra game.

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So much for BYU, getting destroyed @ TCU as I type this(32-7 mid 4th). Mel Kiper totally jinxed them, picking them to be the BCS buster team on sportscenter today =p

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I’m ecstatic about the success that Texas has had so far, but they are really just a solid all-around team (i.e. they aren’t world-beaters). They can certainly beat anybody out there, but they are susceptible to a few losses as well.

MU
OSU
TT

All three of those will be tough games that could go either way.

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I hate BYU, but I was hoping that they would remain undefeated until the Holy War.

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[quote]Mousse wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.

I think you’re right about not allowing that, but I would love to see it. Start the bowls sooner and end it all by the first week in january.

I think it would make for some interesting football if say an LSU had to come up to Pa. in mid december. But I doubt it would evr happen as you said. and my conference, ugh, how I hate saying that, wouldn’t be to helpful.

the Big Ten might be the most backwards ass of all conferences. they had a such a boner for the rose bowl for years that I seriously think these people would rather win that than the MNC. At leas that’s how it seemed to me when I went to chiropractic college in Iowa from 85-88.

You would think that football was played no where else. Of course to me at least, it seems the south runs that way too, along with Texas.

I can tell you this much - a conference championship doesn’t even cross the mind of anybody here in Columbus until we lose 2 games. No offense taken but maybe you went to chiropractic school in Chicago?

Because you can be sure that Northwestern probably sets it’s sights on a conference championship. Aside from them and maybe Purdue, Minnesota and Indiana I would beg to differ. The same can be said in the SEC for Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy and a few others I’m sure.

Again, no offense taken - I really just wanted to say that before there is a playoff these greedy universities need to eliminate their conference championship games…either that or somehow convince the rest of the non-conference championship leagues to succumb to even the playing field.

We (Buckeyes) and others would be in an a very advantage position over conferences with playoffs, and not only due to the extra game.[/quote]

Iowa, actually. I’ve been to Iowa City many times to visit a friend in grad school. I had no big Ten connections at all in my life other than living in Davenport Iowa for three eyars. i would pull for the Hawkeyes because my friend went their and they were the local team.

But remember, I’m talking about football in the 20+ year ago category. Paterno was talking about a playoff 35 years ago. And back in those days, most were against. And the big Ten was part of that most.

They had a weird love of the Rose Bowl were i actually heard fans express a desire to win that above even a MNC. I thought thta was weird.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Mousse wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.

I think you’re right about not allowing that, but I would love to see it. Start the bowls sooner and end it all by the first week in january.

I think it would make for some interesting football if say an LSU had to come up to Pa. in mid december. But I doubt it would evr happen as you said. and my conference, ugh, how I hate saying that, wouldn’t be to helpful.

the Big Ten might be the most backwards ass of all conferences. they had a such a boner for the rose bowl for years that I seriously think these people would rather win that than the MNC. At leas that’s how it seemed to me when I went to chiropractic college in Iowa from 85-88.

You would think that football was played no where else. Of course to me at least, it seems the south runs that way too, along with Texas.

I can tell you this much - a conference championship doesn’t even cross the mind of anybody here in Columbus until we lose 2 games. No offense taken but maybe you went to chiropractic school in Chicago?

Because you can be sure that Northwestern probably sets it’s sights on a conference championship. Aside from them and maybe Purdue, Minnesota and Indiana I would beg to differ. The same can be said in the SEC for Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy and a few others I’m sure.

Again, no offense taken - I really just wanted to say that before there is a playoff these greedy universities need to eliminate their conference championship games…either that or somehow convince the rest of the non-conference championship leagues to succumb to even the playing field.

We (Buckeyes) and others would be in an a very advantage position over conferences with playoffs, and not only due to the extra game.

Iowa, actually. I’ve been to Iowa City many times to visit a friend in grad school. I had no big Ten connections at all in my life other than living in Davenport Iowa for three eyars. i would pull for the Hawkeyes because my friend went their and they were the local team.

But remember, I’m talking about football in the 20+ year ago category. Paterno was talking about a playoff 35 years ago. And back in those days, most were against. And the big Ten was part of that most.

They had a weird love of the Rose Bowl were i actually heard fans express a desire to win that above even a MNC. I thought thta was weird.

[/quote]

I hear ya man. In pre BCS times Rose Bowl talk was definitely prevalent in these parts…I thought you were referring to these days.

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WARNING !!! ANOTHER FAIRLY LONG POST!

Glad I ain’t the only one who thinks a playoff is a must! I was also thinking about what to do with the last two bids for the playoff, after the 6 current BCS conference champs (who agreed would have to play conference championship games) get in. I believe the following is the best I could come up with for now, but could definitely be changed in the future. Quick side note about the independents(notre dame, army, navy). JOIN A CONFERENCE! If Air Force is in one then no reason Army and Navy can’t be as well, and Notre Dame has no excuse to not join one. Ok now onto the last two bids…

There are 5 non-BCS conferences (C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt, WAC). Have them play conference championship games on November 22nd(the off weekend for the major conferences before their champ. games) Now we will have five teams fighting for a spot(or two) in the playoff. Have 4 teams play on December 4th (have the MAC get the bye because of them having I believe 13 teams compared to 9 or 8 in the other conferences). December 11th, have the MAC play one of the winners and the other one gets the bye(coin flip to decide who gets the bye that way its fair), then have the playoff decider get into the playoff. That would take care of one spot. So now we have 7 of the 8 teams decided in the playoff, how about the last one?

The last one could either be an At-Large style bid or for another mid-major conference to get the nod. I don’t like the At-Large style bid because it would allow a non-conference champion into the mix. I am not the biggest fan of letting another mid-major team in because of their level of competition, but IF we want this sytem to be FAIR, we need to give everyone the opportunity, because thats what makes the playoff system great is that even the little guy gets a chance. Now, how would this work with the other conference champ? Simple, have the final two conference champs get into the playoff instead of playing each other. This would be fair because we could rotate which conference gets the first bye week every year (MAC one year, then Sun Belt, etc…)

Then once we get the playoff system ready, thwo the teams into a computer and have it spit out the matchups that way it is fair for every team involved and let them go at it!

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I knew BYU would go down. They were rated too high, so this will put them where they need to be.

And I predict more upsets this weekend starting with Missouri over Texas!

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Why my team just threw a 5 yard pass one 4th and 22 I have no idea. Some good things did happen today though (like throwin the ball down the damn field we got 2 tds through the air for the first time against a good team this year) but I was definitely shakin my head at a few calls. This o-line sucks so damn bad… but that is expected I guess with my team now. I’m still glad TB and his butt buddy rob spence are gone.

Meanwhile, should be some good games tonight, and Vandy is keepin it close with UGA

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[quote]Mousse wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Mousse wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Bullit wrote:
I agree that a playoff is sorely needed at this point. I also realize it’s going to take a lot to get it to happen. The 8 team playoff would be ideal.

To make it really work, every conference with an “automatic bid” by their conference champion should be required to play a conference championship game. I’m looking at you PAC-10, among others. This would in turn make it a 16 team playoff with the conference championship games being the start of the playoffs.

I thought a 16 team playoff would allow a team who lost early say 2x, but was coming on strong later in the year. Think OSU 05 for instance. lost to the MNC winner and the number 3# team. Of course, they would have been top 8 at least. Take the conference champs and at large teams and play a round with a home filed advantage.

You would still have room to use the bowls for 7 games and the rest of the jabronie bowls could still take some other teams for the IAMS dog food bowl or whatever.

And I would love to see a LSU or USC come north when it’s ten degrees outside.

It is football after all, not golf.

A 16 team playoff would be ideal and certainly allows teams an early screw up. I just don’t see the powers that be allowing that.

From a strickly selfish point of view, say OU wins out and so does Texas. OU still can’t make it into the Big-12 champ game. Texas plays at least a 2 loss north team in that senario. This could happen with any team in the Big-12 south at this point. Still a lot of football to be played.

Gotta love football in the snow and ice. Classic. Too bad you don’t see it more in college ball, well at least from my southern point of view.

I think you’re right about not allowing that, but I would love to see it. Start the bowls sooner and end it all by the first week in january.

I think it would make for some interesting football if say an LSU had to come up to Pa. in mid december. But I doubt it would evr happen as you said. and my conference, ugh, how I hate saying that, wouldn’t be to helpful.

the Big Ten might be the most backwards ass of all conferences. they had a such a boner for the rose bowl for years that I seriously think these people would rather win that than the MNC. At leas that’s how it seemed to me when I went to chiropractic college in Iowa from 85-88.

You would think that football was played no where else. Of course to me at least, it seems the south runs that way too, along with Texas.

I can tell you this much - a conference championship doesn’t even cross the mind of anybody here in Columbus until we lose 2 games. No offense taken but maybe you went to chiropractic school in Chicago?

Because you can be sure that Northwestern probably sets it’s sights on a conference championship. Aside from them and maybe Purdue, Minnesota and Indiana I would beg to differ. The same can be said in the SEC for Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy and a few others I’m sure.

Again, no offense taken - I really just wanted to say that before there is a playoff these greedy universities need to eliminate their conference championship games…either that or somehow convince the rest of the non-conference championship leagues to succumb to even the playing field.

We (Buckeyes) and others would be in an a very advantage position over conferences with playoffs, and not only due to the extra game.

Iowa, actually. I’ve been to Iowa City many times to visit a friend in grad school. I had no big Ten connections at all in my life other than living in Davenport Iowa for three eyars. i would pull for the Hawkeyes because my friend went their and they were the local team.

But remember, I’m talking about football in the 20+ year ago category. Paterno was talking about a playoff 35 years ago. And back in those days, most were against. And the big Ten was part of that most.

They had a weird love of the Rose Bowl were i actually heard fans express a desire to win that above even a MNC. I thought thta was weird.

I hear ya man. In pre BCS times Rose Bowl talk was definitely prevalent in these parts…I thought you were referring to these days.[/quote]

Not at all, but I do think many people high up and older guys still sort of look at it that way. And I’m an old PA/OSU fan from the Hayes days. They were my favorite college team and that only changed when I went to PSU in the early 80s.

I remember thinking big Ten fans were retarded in the mid 80s, especially when they were talking about a way to somehow not get picked to go to the Rose bowl to play for the MNC. This was when the bowl tie ins existed. As an Independent, PSU could go anywhere, except for the Rose Bowl.

Now I know the thinking is different, but a 100 years or so is a hard habit to break. I used to hear the Big Ten say it was to tough to go through undefeated, like they say about the SEC and the Big 12 now.

But it should be tough to win them all, and we also should have a playoff.

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Got this from my secretary this morning.

Big XII Group Therapy Session

[Note: Written by a K-Stater]

As a conference, we have a great many teams with varying personalities. Some have their strengths, some have their weaknesses, and all of them have a bit of neurosis.

That’s why the Big 12 Conference has asked all of its members to attend a group therapy session.

Okay, they really didn’t, but if they did, I think it would have gone something like this…

Counselor: Okay, everyone, sit down. We’re going to start our first therapy session. Who would like to share first?

Kansas State: Uh, I guess that I’ll go first. Well, our defense…

Counselor: Before you go on, make sure you tell everyone your name and why you’re here.

KS: Oh, I’m sorry. My name is Kansas State, and I don’t have a defense.

Everyone: (In unison…) Hi, Kansas State.

KS: (Scratches behind head…) Yeah, anyway, I don’t know exactly what happened, but my defense just packed up and left over a year ago. I can’t figure out what I did wrong; just, one day, without any warning, I showed up to the stadium and there it was, a “Dear John” letter, saying that things weren’t working out and it was leaving.

Counselor: Kansas State, how did that make you feel?

KS: Well, it made me feel vulnerable. Timid. Scared, and not smart.

Counselor: Have you tried finding your defense?

KS: Of course. I called. I left messages. I even wrote it a song. I told it that I missed it and wanted it back. It told me, “No.”

Counselor: What did you do after your defense said that?

KS: I cried.

Counselor: Okay…OKAY! I think we’re making progress here. What have you done since to overcome your loss?

KS: I’m basically letting every offense score on me like I really need the money.

Counselor: Alright…that’s not healthy. We’ll address that later. Moving on. Let’s see here, anyone want to volunteer to go next? Anyone? Do I have to call on someone? Alright, then, Nebraska, what’s going on with you? Why are you here?

Nebraska: Nothing’s wrong. I’m only here because the conference told me that I had to come today.

Counselor: Are you sure nothing’s wrong? Nothing is bothering you right now? Also, tell everyone your name.

Nebraska: Ha! Give me a break. Everyone knows who I am. There isn’t a damn thing wrong with me. Sure, I’ve come on hard times in the last couple of years, but I’ll be back. The great ones always come back. I’ve just got to try harder. That’s all.

Counselor: (Turns head and whispers into a recorder) Classic case of denial with a hint of narcissism.

Nebraska: I’m sorry, did you say something?

Counselor: Nope. Who’s next?

Colorado: I’ll go.

Counselor: Good. Go ahead; tell us who you are.

Colorado: I’m Colorado, and I’m really confused right now.

Counselor: Why are you confused?

Colorado: I was told there would be beer and strippers at this party. But from what I can tell, there’s no beer, and this isn’t a party.

Counselor: Who told you there would be a party here today?

Colorado: The guy that recruited me to come here. He said there’d be beer, weed, and I’d for sure get laid. But, I gotta tell you, all I’m seeing are a bunch of lame teams, and Kansas State is really creepin’ me out. Dude keeps telling me he’ll let Cody Hawkins score on him all day, long time.

Counselor: K-State, stop letting everyone score on you! Have you no self-respect?

KS: (Sobbing…) I can’t st-st-st-oooooop…

Counselor: Alright, anyone else?

Iowa State: Hi, my name’s Iowa State, and I’m invisible.

Counselor: Who are you again?

IS: Iowa State. You know, the Cyclones?

Counselor: Are you on my sheet? When did you join the Big 12?

IS: I’ve been here since the league was founded.

Counselor: Really?

Texas: I’ve never heard of you. Hey, Okie, you heard of this guy?

Oklahoma: Nope.

Counselor: You can share if you want, but I’m not sure anyone paid for you to be here.

IS: You’re all a bunch of dicks.

Oklahoma State: (Flashing a mouth of gold teefus…) Yo, yo, yo! What up ya’ll! Oklahoma State in the hizzy.

Oklahoma: Seriously? What are you up to Vanilla Ice?

OS: Fo’ rizzle. I gots mo’ money than all ya’llz. I’m 6-0, I’ve got more coin than Kanye, and my coach gots more oil in his hair than T. Boone’s got in his wells boooyyyyeeee!

Counselor: God help me.

OS: Don’t be down, yo. I’m just keepin’ it realz. Okie State in the hizouse.

Oklahoma: You’re an idiot, and I’m going to kick your ***.

OS: Bring it biznatch. I’ll bring my crazy option offense, and we’ll see if you can do a better job stopping it than Missouri did.

Missouri: (Shrieks in pain…) Oh GOD why? WHYYYYYYY?

Counselor: Missouri, would you like to share?

Missouri: No, I don’t want to SHARE. You saw the game on Saturday. I don’t want to talk about it!

Counselor: Now, now. It’s okay. Teams lose big games all of the time.

Missouri: We don’t. When was the last time we were this good? When was the last time we were a legit contender for the national title? Huh? When? If you answered “never” then you’d be right. No one knows how this feels.

Kansas State: If I may interject…

Missouri: Don’t give me that sob story about 1998.

Kansas State: I’m just sayin’. At least you lost to a really good team. Look at what’s become of the team we lost to.

(Texas A&M sits in the corner eating a bottle of Elmer’s glue…)

Kansas State: See?

Missouri: Yeah, we’ll you didn’t lose to Flava Flav over there. Mine’s worse.

(Oklahoma State admires its diamond encrusted chain…)

Kansas State: Oh, really. Let’s see shall we. Hey, A&M, what’s the capital of Texas?

Texas A&M: Unicorns.

Kansas State: And what’s your school’s mascot?

A&M: Burt Reynolds.

Counselor: A&M? Jesus, what happened to you?

A&M: We hired Mr. Fran, and he said that we were gonna be real good, and then he made us not real good, and then he beat our program with a brick until we was retarded. Then we hired Mr. Sherman, and he picked up the brick and started beating us until we gots more retarded.

Counselor: I don’t think I can help you.

A&M: That’s okay. You gonna eat them sparkles?

(A&M starts eating glitter…)

Counselor: Moving on. Baylor, would you like to share?

Baylor: Is it my turn to pray?

Counselor: Well, you can do what you like, but this isn’t a prayer circle. It’s our group therapy session.

Baylor: Oh, I know, but I figure you God-forsaken, public university heathens could use it.

Texas Tech: Someone’s bitter.

Baylor: I would be too if I lived in Lubbock.

Tech: Hey, wait a damn minute!

Baylor: Oops. Dear Lord, I apologize…

Tech: I’m gonna whoop your *** son!

Counselor: Hey, Tech, back off. He’s saying he’s sorry.

Tech: Does it look like I care? Out in West Texas, we shoot first and don’t even attempt to play defense later.

Counselor: Well, now you’ve gotten better with your defense in the last few weeks. Let’s explore that.

Tech: What is there to explore? Keep it simple stupid. Score more points than the other guy. We win.

Oklahoma: How many South titles have you won there big guy?

Tech: (Grumbles…) Shut up, butthead.

Counselor: Oklahoma, would you like to share?

Oklahoma: I got nothin’. The only thing that I’d change about myself is, well, nothin’.

Texas: Spoken like a true narcissist.

Oklahoma: I can’t believe you even know what that word means.

Texas: I know what a lot of words mean. You know, like, SCOREBOARD!

Oklahoma: You son of a…

(Texas drops its pants and moons Oklahoma…)

Counselor: Well, I think we’ve heard from everyone, but I think I’m missing someone. I only count eleven. Who’s missing?

(Kansas pops its head into the room…)

Kansas: Hey, has anyone seen my running game?

Counselor: Kansas! There you are. Why didn’t you show up for the session? The Big 12 said everyone needed to be here today.

Kansas: Yeah, I’m not big on �??rules’. Rules are for people that are too stupid to find their way around them.

Baylor: You should be ashamed of yourself!

Kansas: Hey, you do things the right way, and you’re in the basement of the conference. I go on probation in multiple sports, commit academic fraud, and get the dreaded “Lack of Institutional Control” tag, and I get an Orange Bowl win and a national title.

Oklahoma: See, he gets it!

Counselor: I don’t think we need to be promoting that kind of behavior Oklahoma…

Nebraska: Hey, can you tell me how to cheat and get away with it? I’m getting kind of desperate over here.

Missouri: Me too. Dude, you know that I, like, hate you, but could you tell me how to cheat too?

Oklahoma State: Yo, homes, me too. I’ll pay cash money.

Kansas: Anyway, I just stopped by to see if anyone saw my running game. If it’s not here, I gotta run. I’ve got tests to take for incoming recruits. If you guys want the scoop, ring me on my cell.

Oklahoma State: I’ll hit you back dog.

Counselor: Okay, I think this is a good place to end this week. I don’t want this going off on a bad tangent. Everyone, please don’t cheat, like Kansas. Please don’t let everyone score on you like Kansas State, and for God’s sake, don’t hire Mike Sherman. That’s borderline criminal over there.

(Texas A&M urinates in its pants…)

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That is funny as hell…pretty much dead on…lol.

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For anyone who didn’t watch the LSU v S Carolina game…

Tiger Alum?