I’m going on a fat-loss kick, just started doing Romaniello’s “Five Principles of Radical Fat Loss.” (that’s complexes, circuits, and HIIT, two workouts a day most days, plus a moderate caloric deficit.)
It recommends HOT-ROX, but I’m leery of the safety of diet pills. Can you get any of the same effect with ordinary stimulants – coffee or tea, say? Is not following the recommended supplementation going to make a big difference?
(in case it’s useful information, I’m 144 lbs, probably 19-20% bf. For the past few months I was training for strength, with good results, and not worrying very much about diet or leanness; now I’m changing gears. I’d like to lose ten pounds. Is that going to be unreasonable?)
What aspect of HOT-ROX makes you leery of their safety?
You will get the same effects from coffee and tea only as far as caffeine is concerned, and for green tea, EGCG (Which isn’t in HRX). They would not be comparable beyond that.
HRX contains yohimbe and people respond differently. It really warms my torso temperature! There’s no way to tell if you’ll like it or it’s effective for you unless you try it. There are other forms of fat loss stacks out there. Search for EC (ephedrine/caffeine).
Definitely do your research before you decide to start a fat loss stack. I’d recommend starting without one and seeing how much progress can be made by a caloric deficit and high intensity training. I’m in week 7 of a fat loss stint and started EC today.
One thing to think of though. If you decide to go “natural” with coffee and tea, the caffeine and EGCG are not going to be the same every time. If you go with the pills, It will be pretty damn close.
That being said, I don’t think it’s a huge difference to be honest. If one cup of coffee doesn’t do it for me, I just get another.
@silverhydra – my concerns were precautionary. A lot of these unregulated supplements seem to get recalled for safety reasons. I just don’t know what that stuff does. I also knew a girl who abused laxatives to lose weight and it was pretty terrible for her health; I’m aware this isn’t the same thing physiologically but it just makes me nervous.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
HRX contains yohimbe and people respond differently. It really warms my torso temperature! There’s no way to tell if you’ll like it or it’s effective for you unless you try it. There are other forms of fat loss stacks out there. Search for EC (ephedrine/caffeine).
Definitely do your research before you decide to start a fat loss stack. I’d recommend starting without one and seeing how much progress can be made by a caloric deficit and high intensity training. I’m in week 7 of a fat loss stint and started EC today.[/quote]
[quote]i0like0dags wrote:
One thing to think of though. If you decide to go “natural” with coffee and tea, the caffeine and EGCG are not going to be the same every time. If you go with the pills, It will be pretty damn close.
That being said, I don’t think it’s a huge difference to be honest. If one cup of coffee doesn’t do it for me, I just get another.
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FWIW, I have NEVER felt anything from EGCG in pills. Assuming 150mg EGCG each cup (A conservative estimate, according to the link attached), I have matched and even surpassed EGCG content with pills and felt nothing, whereas compared to the dosage with brewed leaves, I felt warm in the face/belly and had noticeable effects.
I have also had the brewed tea cold, so the temperature itself isn’t an issue.
So either heat is needed to activate the EGCG, or there is another compound in tea itself which acts synergystically (FWIW, all studies I have seen use brewed tea, not pills)
[quote]AlisaV wrote: @silverhydra – my concerns were precautionary. A lot of these unregulated supplements seem to get recalled for safety reasons. I just don’t know what that stuff does. I also knew a girl who abused laxatives to lose weight and it was pretty terrible for her health; I’m aware this isn’t the same thing physiologically but it just makes me nervous.
I’ll try without and see how it goes.[/quote]
For starters just stick with green tea, i would personally only introduce HOT-ROX when your weight loss stalls for whatever reason. Also, if you havent noticed by now after 1500+ posts that Biotest products arent like walking into GNC and getting whatever fat burner that makes the sales associate the most money, then what are you posting about?
Also you dont have to take the full dose of HOT-ROX, one in the morning is good enough for most people especially women, who on average arent as tolerant to caffeine. Christian Thib…(not gonna try to spell it) only took one in the morning because two blunted his hunger too much.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
HRX contains yohimbe and people respond differently. It really warms my torso temperature! There’s no way to tell if you’ll like it or it’s effective for you unless you try it. There are other forms of fat loss stacks out there. Search for EC (ephedrine/caffeine).
Definitely do your research before you decide to start a fat loss stack. I’d recommend starting without one and seeing how much progress can be made by a caloric deficit and high intensity training. I’m in week 7 of a fat loss stint and started EC today.[/quote]
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
HRX contains yohimbe and people respond differently. It really warms my torso temperature! There’s no way to tell if you’ll like it or it’s effective for you unless you try it. There are other forms of fat loss stacks out there. Search for EC (ephedrine/caffeine).
Definitely do your research before you decide to start a fat loss stack. I’d recommend starting without one and seeing how much progress can be made by a caloric deficit and high intensity training. I’m in week 7 of a fat loss stint and started EC today.[/quote]