Coan-Phillipi Deadlift Thread

[quote]Phydeaux wrote:
Wow. Lots of good advice here. I hope I can answer properly.

Re squats:
I’m 5’7"-8". We either have a 12" or 18" box. Maybe I can “build” a 15" box by putting the 12" on a plate or two.

Here’s something really weird. Off the 18" box I have done a 345x1 & 330x5. Off the 12" box I’ve only done 225x5. Last Sept, no box, I did 315x1 at a depth I’m pretty sure was ATG and I’m confident was at least below parallel.

Now that I think about it, for my regular squats my feet were shoulder width. I’ve noticed on the box squats that I’ve taken a much wider stance. Maybe this explains the discrepancy?

Re BP:
The video really helps. It looks like your legs are kinda relaxed on the eccentric and you only push w/ them on the concentric. It also looks like should you miss a lift you could lower your chest enough to rest the bar on the pins and slide out from underneath it safely.

DB Rows - yes, 2 100/110 lb DBs. The Pendlay row sounds like you start a DL and finish a row. The ROM isn’t just chest to arms’ length; it adds distance to the floor?

Edit: I did some searching to find the difference between the PR and the BBR. It looks like I’ve been doing the BBRows wrong. For me, each rep ends in a dead hang, when it appears I should be ending it on the floor. I guess that could be why I don’t row much weight.
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I think the 12" box would suit you well. If you are going to stack plates, make sure they aren’t able to slip when you sit on them. My guess is that 12" or 13" will be parallel for you. 15" would be good for a high box squat, and 18" is probably too high for much other than a supramaximal weight.

It might be good for getting used to having heavier weight on your shoulders, but you probably need to hit the lower boxes to get the full benefit out of them.

On BP: A lot of people advocate flexing the glutes before you unrack the weight, and keeping them flexed the whole time. I don’t get nearly as good of leg drive when I do it that way, so I don’t contract them until I start to use my leg drive.

I still try it from time to time with the glutes tight the whole time to see if I can get it to work that way. Try it both ways, and see what works best for you.

The pins are set at a height where if I miss the lift I can relax my arch and just slide out from underneath. The down side is that on a rep set, if I relax my arch at all, I can easily bottom out on the pins and really mess up the set.

When I do BOR, I do them from a dead hang, and keep my form pretty tight. When I do Pendlay’s, I use a bit of a cheat to get the bar moving, but I try to keep the cheat consistent regardless of weight.

They are both good movements and both have their place. Just keep the two as distinct movements. There is nothing wrong with keeping the Pendlay super strict as well. I just like moving heavy weight.

Terrible legs day today. If you guys are hitting the SLDLs and other stuff hard, I expect week 5s squats will be hell for you too.

edit: I have to walk a lot at work though, so that may also be affecting it.

[quote]HitEmHard wrote:
If it is ok I would also like to post my C-P log in here as I shall be starting tomorrow.

I shall hopefully go from a 170kg deadlift(though i hit 165kgx2) to a 190kg deadlift.

i have always hated deadlifting simply because I have always sucked at them…Weak grip and suspected weak lower back.

Have a good day![/quote]

Welcome.

coan-phillipi day 1

wasnt going to start today after injuring my left forearm going for a squat PR but after about two seconds thought I went anyway.

deadlifts
90kgx3
110kgx3
130kgx1
142.5kgx2
8x3@115kg

forearm was messed up after these so decided to go conservative on the back movements and miss out the stiff leg deads

db rows
32.5kgx8
37.5kgx8
42.5kgx8PR easy as hell hurt the forearm alot though

reverse grip pull downs (never do these so anything is a PR)
72.5kgx8
80kgx8
87.5kgx5-forearm was screaming by this point and it just had enough

good mornings(never done these so building them up 5kg per week)
60kgx3x8

left forearm is still painful from squatting the other day. the mother keeps wanting to take me to hospital but i just wanted to get to the gym. never mind will heel up soon hopefully.

have a good day!

[quote]HitEmHard wrote:
coan-phillipi day 1

wasnt going to start today after injuring my left forearm going for a squat PR but after about two seconds thought I went anyway.

deadlifts
90kgx3
110kgx3
130kgx1
142.5kgx2
8x3@115kg

forearm was messed up after these so decided to go conservative on the back movements and miss out the stiff leg deads

db rows
32.5kgx8
37.5kgx8
42.5kgx8PR easy as hell hurt the forearm alot though

reverse grip pull downs (never do these so anything is a PR)
72.5kgx8
80kgx8
87.5kgx5-forearm was screaming by this point and it just had enough

good mornings(never done these so building them up 5kg per week)
60kgx3x8

left forearm is still painful from squatting the other day. the mother keeps wanting to take me to hospital but i just wanted to get to the gym. never mind will heel up soon hopefully.

have a good day![/quote]

You probably have tendonitis. Take some ibuprofen (like 3 or 4 advil) and use some ice to get the swelling down. Also, if you put some Icy hot on and wear elbow sleeves for your training sessions, that will help keep the area warm and temper the pain. Grip work and high-rep hammer curls will also work wonders.

thanks il definately incorporate those ideas

thankyou for the tips

[quote]HitEmHard wrote:
thanks il definately incorporate those ideas

thankyou for the tips

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No problem. I used to have bad tendonitis in the bicep and forearm; once I started following that kind of protocol it really nipped it in the bud. Good luck.

[quote]novaeer wrote:
HitEmHard wrote:
thanks il definately incorporate those ideas

thankyou for the tips

No problem. I used to have bad tendonitis in the bicep and forearm; once I started following that kind of protocol it really nipped it in the bud. Good luck.[/quote]

I’m getting over rotator cuff tendonitis right now. I can echo everything said. 2x ibuprofen 3x a day. fish oil, anti inflamatories in general.

hope it gets better soon

thanks novaeer and zephead for you tips i have just been out and bought some pbuprofen and shall go out and get some fish oil in the next day or so

thanks again for the advice its much appreciated il keep everyone posted. but it in no way is going to stop me pulling a new PB in 9 more deadlift training sessions!

I have to put back my workout YET ANOTHER day, because of random bullshit happening

pretty pissed off.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I have to put back my workout YET ANOTHER day, because of random bullshit happening

pretty pissed off.[/quote]

just think of it as extra recovery man. no excuse to his some type of PR!

Coan week 5 (8/19/08)

Halfway done.

DL - 135x10,225x5,315x2,365x3 (PR for a triple)

I bumped up the final weight 10 lbs to set a PR. Felt really good.

speed DL - 290x3(3x) w/ straps

I had a bandaid over a split callus that has yet to fully heal. I pulled the regular DLs w/o straps. The bandaid kept the bar from messing with the split but it didn’t really cushion it. I decided to use straps for the rest of the workout (except GMs).

shrugs - 135x5,225x5,265x5

Kinda heavy. My shoulders didn’t seem to move much.

RDLs - 225x5(3x)

Went up on weight. Seemed to keep form pretty well.

Rows - 135x5(3x)

Went up as well and pulled each rep from the floor.

GMs - 135x5(3x)

No change here.

phydeax, did you do POWER shrugs, or just shrugs?

Today:
deadlift
315x2
365x1
380x2

(no speed deads)

SLDL
225x5
275x5
315x3PR

Dumbell row:
100 2x10 each arm PR

Lat pulldown
144x5
156x5
156x3

Power shrug
225x5
275x5pr?
295x4PR

Good mornings (less ROM)
135x5
155x5
175x5

pinwheel curls
40x40 (20 each arm) these were easy, but I needed a baseline for nerxt week.

My grip is getting weaker. I dropped 380 immediately after locking out.

I’ve felt extremely drained the last 2 weeks. I can’t wait till the cycle is over. My body feels like it’s falling apart.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
My grip is getting weaker. I dropped 380 immediately after locking out.

I’ve felt extremely drained the last 2 weeks. I can’t wait till the cycle is over. My body feels like it’s falling apart.[/quote]

And from now on it’s only getting harder.^^ Do you still use straps? I use gloves and no grip problems so far.

Week 3 (my workout got messed up, because I went to another gym with regular sized plates.)

DL: 8x60, 6x90, 2x120, 2x140 (PR)
Speed DL: 3x3x110 (messed uo here, wrong number of sets)
RDL: 3x8x70 (with extended ROM)
Rows: 3x8x60
Lat-Pulldown: 8x70, 8x80, 2x90
GM: 2x8x45, 8x50

My body is adapting great, less soreness than last time.

I use straps on everything but the regular deads. I will TRY to do speed deads again next week.

After C-P I’ll probably just do barbell holds in the locked out position, double overhand for grip strength.

When my max was 315 I could double overhand 275, now 225 is hard to double overhand.

lol

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I use straps on everything but the regular deads. I will TRY to do speed deads again next week.

After C-P I’ll probably just do barbell holds in the locked out position, double overhand for grip strength.

When my max was 315 I could double overhand 275, now 225 is hard to double overhand.

lol[/quote]

If you can get it to work, try the hook grip. It puts you in a more natural alignment and it cuts the ROM a slight bit. Your thumbs will hurt but just rub a little dirt on it :wink:

[quote]novaeer wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
I use straps on everything but the regular deads. I will TRY to do speed deads again next week.

After C-P I’ll probably just do barbell holds in the locked out position, double overhand for grip strength.

When my max was 315 I could double overhand 275, now 225 is hard to double overhand.

lol

If you can get it to work, try the hook grip. It puts you in a more natural alignment and it cuts the ROM a slight bit. Your thumbs will hurt but just rub a little dirt on it ;-)[/quote]

I have tiny ass hands, I’ve tried the hook grip already. I can’t get a solid grip with it.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
phydeax, did you do POWER shrugs, or just shrugs?[/quote]

Just shrugs. I don’t think it calls for power shrugs until week 7?