[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I’ve read that studies show it helped some in obese people, but none leaner ones. The conclusion said it probably potentiates fat loss.
I’m curious about what long time users think, [/quote]
I have always used it in my eca stack. I did however change to the low dose version vs. the 300 or so mg that used to be the norm. There are people who are on both sides of the fence on this, but I believe it does act synergistically with the other two for a more pronounced, longer fat burning scenario after ingestion. I use the 81mg dose as Swole just mentioned now though.
ToneBone
[quote]nichaaron wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
I’m also looking into ECA stacks.
Has anyone used the OTC Vasopro for the E with good results? I just don’t know if I need pure ephedra for it to be effective or if ephedrine HCL will work well.
I used to order vasopro online before it was banned
I loved it gave me heart burn though
the hcl worked fine I reccomend it
if I could find it i would get it again
if you get the stuff at the drug store called bronkaid its the same as the vasopro I found the GUAIFENESIN had no ill effects on me.
sorry for caps had to google it lol[/quote]
Check the link earlier in this thread, me and football both ordered Ephedrine HCL (pure, no expectorant like in the vasopro)
Shipped in 5 days no problems. Not bad price either, much cheaper than vasopro is now.
Will do. I don’t think I got fake shit because I have felt more alert when using it. I have yet to get the jitters or big “boost” that people mention though. However, I am typically very stimulant tolerant.
I’m gonna combine 2 doses today and take 40mg e, 200 c, 81 A in a few hours. I think that should allow me to make sure its working. I just wanna make sure theres no placebo affect and I’m actually taking E.
Don’t see the point in faking a bottle of 600 10mg tabs though.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Thanks for that info 2thepain.
I’m going to do 25mg E HCL, 200mg Caffeine (tabs), and 81mg Aspirin each dose.
I will take 3 doses per day.
Does this sound effective?
And for cycling i was thinking 5days on 2 off, or 3 weeks on 1 week off. Suggestions?[/quote]
I would go with 3 weeks on. Any downregulation to your beta-andernergic receptors is not going to be alleviated in 2 days. That’s just less time where you’ll have the fat loss boost. A week might actually result in some recovery and upregulation.
Alright took 40mg E, 200mg C, 81 mg A about 25minutes ago. Still not really “feeling” anything. Maybe…(yes maybe I dunno if I’m having placebo imagination…my chest feels a little different (heart…) and my left hands slightly…ever so slightly jittery)
Now like I mentioned I’m traditionally very stimulant tolerant. I stopped taking all stims 3 weeks ago to let my body recoup for ECA…but prior to that, and whole pot of medium dark coffee in a day would not be abnormal and I’d feel fine.
However, I’m not gonna “play around” with doses anymore. I’ve been doing reading and several people say they don’t feel anything but people who keep trying to raise the dose to feel the stimulation are apparently the ones who run into the dangerous/trouble zone with ephedrine.
So…I’m gonna assume that I’m stim tolerant and I didn’t get a fake Canadian bottle of 600 10mg E HCL tabs.
I don’t see the point in them faking. And again I’m stimulant tolerant.
The last thing I wanna do is keep upping the dose to “feel” it working and fuck myself over. I’ll just assume it working like its supposed too.
Its only been about a half hour though…if it hits me a little later I’ll report back.
try this it works for me because “playing” with doses isnt advised because remember that ephedrine is basicly meth.
“well its not the same thing but it is used to make it and can be just as dangerous if messed around with.”
leave out the caffine and asprin for a dose 40mg isnt all that much some people it will have them running around like a lab rat on crack and others not so much.I personally take 50mg unless if I feel a little too exicitable then back down to 45mg or so.
leave it on your tounge for a sec and taste it. now do not allow it to disolve but taste the product,it wont take much,ephedrine has a very distinct taste to it and it is hard to be faked.
also if you leave out the caffine for a dose then you will know if the stimulant properities you feel is actually the E or if its the Caffine.
also the asprin in this stack, I read really isnt needed and at that low doses are fine.
I have asked around and read and the asprin just thins out the blood a little bit and helps with the possible blood pressure raise that is in the ephedirne. how true this is I am not sure just what I was told.
Now we just have to figure out if it is real indeed.
Shit man, I don’t know how it can be real if you’re barely feeling anything after 40/200/81. I feel it in the standard fare dose of 25/200/81, 50 is a hefty dose and anyone would/should feel that hard.
That’s why I think you should definitely feel 40, especially with the other caffeine. Hmmmm, I’m not so sure man, with no ID check, and all those tabs for a decent deal which is uncommon also, I just don’t know. Hopefully I’m wrong buddy.
Keep us informed on how you are feeling. Also, instead of trying a higher dose, do a dose of the stack when you have an empty stomach first. That should REALLY let you know what time it is w/regards to it being fake. I don't care how tolerant you think you might be bro, empty stomach and eca especially if you up the e to 40 or 50 should make you it crystal clear to you if it's real buddy.
try that,
ToneBone
I hear you on the aspirin, I’m just sticking to the low dose. Some studies show it potentiates fat loss and some show no difference. I figure I can’t go wrong with a low dose like I’m on. Its not high enough for stomach issues but its there.
As for the boost, I don’t really care about having added energy, I may up the caffeine if I want added energy, but I just want it for the fat loss effects which I assume are unchanged by how it affects you stimulant wise.
I know it has anorectic effects and I have not eaten in 4.5 hours. Normally by this time I would be hungry (I always am when I leave the class I just finished) but I’m not hungry, so I assume that is working.
What should it taste like? This is my first use of E so I have no baseline to compare it too.
When you take 50mg doses how many do you take a day.
I’ve read that you really don’t wanna go over 75mg and really really shouldn’t go over 100mg per day.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I hear you on the aspirin, I’m just sticking to the low dose. Some studies show it potentiates fat loss and some show no difference. I figure I can’t go wrong with a low dose like I’m on. Its not high enough for stomach issues but its there.
As for the boost, I don’t really care about having added energy, I may up the caffeine if I want added energy, but I just want it for the fat loss effects which I assume are unchanged by how it affects you stimulant wise.
I know it has anorectic effects and I have not eaten in 4.5 hours. Normally by this time I would be hungry (I always am when I leave the class I just finished) but I’m not hungry, so I assume that is working.
What should it taste like? This is my first use of E so I have no baseline to compare it too.
When you take 50mg doses how many do you take a day.
I’ve read that you really don’t wanna go over 75mg and really really shouldn’t go over 100mg per day.[/quote]
I took 2x25mg tabs
I also found in stores the 12.5 mg tabs which is the primatine mist or the bronkaid I took 4 of those right when i got up with a cup of weak coffee
I wasnt hungry at all untill early afternoon but I would drink slimfast shakes or when I learned better I made a breakfast shake with 2 scoops powder whatever i had"usually it was some cheap shit whey" and half a bannana. that kept me full all day and 20-45 mins later I was wide awake.
100mg is alot for one time but I was taking about that much in a day. 2 tabs morning and 2 at lunch.
I myself would stick with the 50mg after a while you will not “feel” it but it is doing its job. I wouldnt go over 2 times a day once you establish your tollerance.
watch taking them on an empty stomach
I had to eat something or drink a decent sized shake or something though because it always made my stomach burn.
I have a hiatal hernia from blunt trauma though so makes it kinda rough taking anything.
edit: the taste ummm thats kind of hard to explain but once you taste it you know.
its almost an alkaline taste
I just let it dissolve on my tongue. Did not taste good lol. Very strange once it started to dissolve and crush up on my tongue. It was weird. I’m betting its all good.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I just let it dissolve on my tongue. Did not taste good lol. Very strange once it started to dissolve and crush up on my tongue. It was weird. I’m betting its all good.
This girl --------> Neely is HOT HOT HOT.[/quote]
just dont eat them like that too often they are absorbed very fast through the mouth like anything else taken oraly
I let 10mg just dissolve on my tongue and then popped the CA. It “hit” me already, hands are a little jittery and I have that internal rush feeling you kinda get in your blood.
So its all good, probably got it from it being already dissolved+ thats 75mg total today.
So yeh I’m not worried about it at this point. I should be doin its job.
I wont, I just wanted to do your taste test. Thanks man, you’ve really helped me out.
Edit: That 75mg is the most I’ll do on a given day. Probably split into 3 equal doses like I previously mentioned.