Clen or ECA?

[quote]football061 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Is there a downside to having the Gauf in it? Cuz thats what I’ve been considering since they come in 25mg tabs which makes the dose an easy one pill.

That’s what I was thinking, I’ve started my order but havn’t submitted it yet, on the 10mg 600 pill bottle but it’s being shipped from canada and I don’t know if I’ll have customs issues considering the sites that sell Vasopure request the FDA or DEA form, whatever the hell it is. I hope I won’t, but there is always that chance.

*Edit
Just emailed the store from which the 10mg 600 pill bottles are sold from. Got a reply within 10 mins stating that the order will pass through no problem! Let’s hope it’s true, haha[/quote]

Yeah you should be ok.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
did you have to submit i.d.?[/quote]

Nope, No I.D. required unlike the Vasopure U.S. based sites that required it and the FDA form. Just gotta fill out normal ordering information and then pay by credit card or money order. It is $15 shipping however, although I’m not going to complain considering the already good price of the product itself.

I may order from that same place, wonder how long the shipping will take…I really don’t wanna get screwed.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I may order from that same place, wonder how long the shipping will take…I really don’t wanna get screwed.[/quote]

It says the order will be shipped like next business day and actual shipping takes 4-6 business days. I’m pretty sure that’s what I read, just gotta look it up again on the site. I got my confirmation email/receipt in my email almost instantly after placing my order.

good. Guess I’m gonna use my credit card…is that what you did?

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
good. Guess I’m gonna use my credit card…is that what you did?[/quote]

Yep, good old Mr. Visa always works. Although he likes to shit on you with monthly bills…prick

Alright made my order. I’ll cross my fingers on customs with you. Are we gonna catch any import duties or any shit liek that?

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
football061 wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
football061 wrote:
Game_over wrote:
just take some DNP and call it a day…HAHAHA NO jk ECA over Clen all the way clen is NaStY like tone said. excessive heart growth…um no thanks

LOL! After reading AR’s bout with DNP I almost shit my pants! It sounded like walking to hell and back. No thank you for me, haha

            Listen I just want to point out that this is just my personal opinion and have never used it. There are some really experienced guys here who HAVE used it with success. Contrl being one of them if my memory serves me corretly. He would be a good guy to ask about it if you want an honest and experienced guy to talk to about it.

                 ToneBone

Thanks, but I’m just starting to venture into the more serious weight loss categories. Maybe one day far down the road when I become experienced with AAS and others alike I may venture into the crazier substances such as DNP.

And as Game_Over stated, you would probably need a 2 week vacation just to do it, lol. Although it is curiously interesting to know what it would be like.

Hey bud just to clarify, I was referring to the clen, not DNP, which is an even more dangerous animal. Not sure if you got that.

                    TBN[/quote]

Oh, wow, I thought you were referring to the DNP, haha. Thanks for the clarification. Clen I will probably try eventually, but if the ECA stack works well for me there will be no reason to pursue clen. Hell, I may use the 2 weeks Clen, 2 weeks ECA,2 weeks clen type of protocol one day, just wanna go with something less extreme for my first true cut.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Alright made my order. I’ll cross my fingers on customs with you. Are we gonna catch any import duties or any shit liek that?
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Lol, sounds good to me. As for the import duties, I truly don’t know. Maybe since it’s Canada and not an international order we won’t? There support email is info@sndonline.net if you want to give them a shout. Like I said they get back to you within like 10 minutes.

By buddy has used the ECA stack One month on, two weeks off for close to a year. He looks in great shape. cuts, striations, and vascularity were improved greatly! He also has used clen, and can vouch for its effectiveness too. I recently asked this same question and Im going to give ECA a run, as it seems less taxing on the body.

So for guys that are ECA users. Do you find the ephedrine gives you really good energy? do you all usually perform more cardio when using the EC? I know it has a good thermo effect and blunts hunger, but even if I’m not hungry I’m gonna eat enough of what I need to eat. I’m just wondering if the addition of the EC to your diets helps your energy and your fat loss alone?

Or do you really rev up the cardio as well?

I’ve read to NOT do HIIT type cardio while doing the ECA stack since it has the HIIT effect on your heart rate already. So I’m guess 20-40 mins of low intensity fat burning cardio is sufficient enough. That’s only what I’ve read though.

I’ve also read that you should not do the 325mg of Aspirin, due to stomache issues, and that an 81mg aspirin is sufficient enough.

I’m actually gonna skip the A all together after doing a lot of reading suggesting that it was kind of useless and like you said stomach issues.

I agree with the HIIT, seems like the heart rate would be a little outa wack doing that.

I was just curious if guys get pretty shredded on EC+good diet (I’m doing keto w/ weekend carb up…seems to be working) without doing tons of cardio.

Just looking for experiences. Thanks!

just took my first dose 25mg e, 200mg caffeine…

We’ll see how it goes.

Also, I dont have any aspirin.

Should I use it?

Brand recommendations for the standard 81mg dose?

So is the A needed? Just looking for some final clarification because I keep hearing different things. I’ve been using EC and its working pretty well. Would the A make it more effective?

I’ve read that studies show it helped some in obese people, but none leaner ones. The conclusion said it probably potentiates fat loss.

I’m curious about what long time users think,

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I’ve read that studies show it helped some in obese people, but none leaner ones. The conclusion said it probably potentiates fat loss.

I’m curious about what long time users think, [/quote]

As am I. Hopefully we will get some more input…

Albuterol has many of the benefits of clen without the sides. I don’t know how ECA or an EC stack compares. I’ve never tried the Ephedra.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I’m also looking into ECA stacks.

Has anyone used the OTC Vasopro for the E with good results? I just don’t know if I need pure ephedra for it to be effective or if ephedrine HCL will work well.

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I used to order vasopro online before it was banned
I loved it gave me heart burn though

the hcl worked fine I reccomend it

if I could find it i would get it again

if you get the stuff at the drug store called bronkaid its the same as the vasopro I found the GUAIFENESIN had no ill effects on me.

sorry for caps had to google it lol