Clean eatin' thread

Well, clarified butter isn’t unhealthy at all provided you have the sense to recognize that its calorically dense and the kcals don’t take long to add up. But its certainly not unhealthy (especially compared to its trans-fat cousins).

I love Surge and I think it works extremely well at doing what it was designed to do. But from a health perspective there is something to be said for minimizing the intake of refined sugars, even during the all important post workout period. Halting catabolism and stimulating the recovery process can also be effectively done using high quality nutrient-dense whole foods.

Paul,

What was the bad advice?

Fat makes you feel full. You’re less likely to crave sweets when you’re full. Protein alone like beef jerky is tough to get full on.

BodyIQ wanted to know methods to avoid sweets. I told him something I do.

It’s whole natural foods.

Again, what’s the bad advice?

What was the bad advice? Your bad advice is pointed out to you in every thread you post on or start! You just don’t listen and are too busy trying to build a rep as an expert.

But hey, you’re 18, have been training almost a WHOLE year and are therefore smarter than everyone else here, including the T-mag staff. Go do some wide grip one arm pull-ups and stop messing up this board.

You said on another thread that you were ran off from another board. Gee, wonder why?

NeilG:

Question for you:
1 tbsp. of salted butter = 11.52 gr. of fat with 5.8 of that being saturated fatty acids. 4 tbsp. comes out to over 45 gr. total w/20 gr. of sat. fat.
What kind of benefits are you going to get from this? How is it that the sat. fats are “ggod” for you. This is news to me. Generally I will try to keep my fat intake low in sat. fats.

Butter ref. via usda national nutrient database site.

Has Neil posted a picture yet?

LOL @ Neil trying to be an expert.

BodyIQ, You mentioned an alternative to nutrition bars with iffy ingredients. I make my own, and they’re very portable and convenient. Here’s my favorite recipe for P+C bars:

Apple Cobbler Protein Bars

Ingredients:
1 cup oat flour
1 cup whole wheat flour
6 scoops strawberry or vanilla whey protein powder
2/3 cup nonfat plain yogurt
1 jumbo egg white
1 cup oat bran
1 cup granulated Splenda
1 cup applesauce, unsweetened
2 tbsp honey
1 large apple, chopped
2 tsp vanilla extract
2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tbsp olive oil

Instructions:

Preheat oven to 350-degrees F.

Combine these in a large bowl: oat flour, whole wheat flour, salt, 1 teaspoon cinnamon, and most of the Splenda, leaving a couple of tablespoons for later. Stir these dry ingredients together.

Put the yogurt, egg white, vanilla extract, and olive oil in a blender, and turn it on low. Add the protein powder 1 scoop at a time, until thoroughly blended. Pour this mixture into the bowl, and stir together until it has the consistency of dough.

Coat a 9 X 13 inch baking pan with cooking spray, then pour the mixture into the pan, flattening it up to the edges.

Next, mix the applesauce, 1 teaspoon cinnamon, chopped apple, and honey together, and pour over the top of the dough mixture in the pan, spreading evenly.

Sprinkle the oat bran over the top, until thoroughly and evenly covered, then sprinkle the remaining Splenda over the top.

Bake for 20 minutes at 350-degrees F, and then switch to broil for 3-4 minutes, just until top is slightly browned. Be careful not to overcook, as it will make them tough and chewy.

Makes 12 bars.

Macronutrient Profile (each serving)

K/cal: 183
Fat: 3 g (1s, 1m, 1p)
Carbs: 27g (4 fiber)
Protein: 16 g

You guys are funny… Jees jump on the bandwagon and attack neil why don’t you.

I’m not really here to defend him, he can defend himself, but I will say from what pics he has posted I can understand why he would say what he said in this thread. People are all made different, and maybe his body can handle the saturated fats better than someone else. I didn’t see him trying to be an expert in this thread, merely saying what works for him in that situation…

Lighten up please.

I find that chromium helps with cravings. I use to wolf down boxes of cookies at a sitting but since taking about 400 micrograms a day it’s easier to stay clean.
Recent tests have shown that it’s probably best to avoid chromium picolinate since it can cause cancer. Results for chromium nicotinate are much more favourable and it can be absorbed better as I remember.

Johnka~

Thanks for the recipe! Looks like a good one and I’ll give it a try. Anything but those bars if I can help it…

I agree, stop picking on Neil. Recent research has shown that the plaque in arteries of heart attack victims is mostly made up of trans fats. Butter contains NO transfats. it’s got vitamins and is a clean food, even more so if you buy organic.

also, in order to absorb vitamins from your veggies (if that’s why you’re eating them, which i assume it is) you must have some fat with them. it helps your body to secrete bile which the intestines need to get the vitamins from the veggies. it doesn’t have to be butter, but butter does work.

another nutrition note i learned in college that make some sense here…
protein digestion mostly occurs in the stomach, and certain kinds take longer to digest (several hours). so, i suspect that’s why protein keeps you feeling full longer. but fat has the affect of making you feel full even if you haven’t eaten that much food. so, they both kinda do different things.

one reason we might be craving carbs at night is low blood sugar. perhaps we should reevaluate our dinner meal and see if it’s giving us enough energy to last a while. that, or just a plain old sugar addiction…

Go Noles!

If you’re going to say a statement like this than you better be able to back it up:

“For the most part, I would be willing to bet that I have one of the healthier diets of anyone on this board.”

How do we know that Neil wouldn’t be farther along with a diet like massive eating? I tried the anabolic diet and I just got stuck and burnt out with it. Until I learned how to diet correctly, I didn’t make any real gains or get lean. The things he is saying goes against a lot of what the T-mag writers preach. Writers who have years of education in nutrition and research.

As BodyIQ pointed out, butter is loaded with fat. NeilG is using up to 4 tbsp. of butter equating to 45g of fat, 20g of that saturated!! I’m sorry, but that large amount of fat in a snack is not “healthy”.

I trust John Berardi over NeilG. Berardi recommends 10% of your fat intake to be from saturated when dieting and 30% when bulking. Surely NeilG is exceeding these percentages considering the large amount of butter he consumes as a “snack”. Unless he is consuming over 200g of fat in a day (we know he’s dieting).

Bottomline: He doesn’t eat healthier than most of the board.

Who the hell makes a statement like that anyway?

Fine. I’m wrong. Whatever. I’d rather you guys think I’m wrong than try to explain anything again.

NeilG said:

“I do also keep some beef jerky type things at my desk. Beef jerky with bacon grease put on it is gooooood”.

Now between the butter and this statement, lets bring out some facts here. These are considered healthy fats? To say “it works for me” won’t go very far from a scientific approach.

I’m assuming you’ve done some research to back up your claims. Could you let us in on it?

Could you please explain this?

BodyIQ,

Nope, not going to explain. Last time I did I got my head bitten off, and got comments like “you provided BS research, but we don’t have time to go look through all the research you provided.”

I’m wrong, then. Leave it at that. It’s easier.

Next time I won’t even try to help.

Even if you think saturated fat is bad, I don’t know who on earth would think sweets were better.

whatever

Where did someone say that sweets were better?

If you’re going to make claims you have to be able to back them up.

Just giving up won’t get you very far and it certainly doesn’t do anything for your credibility.

It is not my intention to give you a hard time but you have to be able to have some stable ground to stand on if you’re going to participate on this forum.

BodyIQ - Neil started off on this forum on the wrong foot. His first thread was “Stop the Nonsense” if you want to look it up. Basically, he provided a bunch of quack doctors’ research and claimed it to be the Bible. This is where he gets the bacon grease and butter arguments.

This is also why no one listens to him when it comes to nutritional advice.

Oh, and you don’t have to “ween” yourself away from sugars. If it takes 5-6 months, as Seminole chick said, then something is wrong and you don’t have self control. I stopped cold turkey and have had no problems. All you have to do is look at the label and say “Oh shit, this is bad for me” and put it back on the shelf.

Yes it is that simple. If you are truly dedicated to losing weight and living a healthier life, then you can do this, as many have done it before.

Even on t-dawg 2.0, you get a cheat meal every Saturday, I believe. With that cheat meal, make it something like cheezits. No joke, look at the nutritional value of Low Fat Cheezits.

Total Fat 4.5g
Sat fat 1 g
cholesterol 0
sodium 280 mg
total carbs 20g
fiber >1g
sugars >1g
protein 4g

Very few sugars, very little fats, very little protein, high in slow-release carbs. This is my cheat meal every week, along with a chicken breast or something like that.

Oh, and you don’t have to “ween” yourself away from sugars. If it takes 5-6 months, as Seminole chick said, then something is wrong and you don’t have self control. I stopped cold turkey and have had no problems. All you have to do is look at the label and say “Oh shit, this is bad for me” and put it back on the shelf.

Yes it is that simple. If you are truly dedicated to losing weight and living a healthier life, then you can do this, as many have done it before.

Oh, so since you could do it, that means everyone else can?

NO!

Not everyone can quit smoking cold turkey. Just because there are some people that can doesn’t mean everyone can.

People are different.

I get shit for saying things, but it’s funny what other people say. “too much fat”, “I did it, so that means everyone can”.

Let me make one thing clear, because I hear the responses now “you think everyone should eat more fat”.

More animal fat, yes, but guess what? Some people don’t do well on this. They need to find out for themselves. Some people do better on higher carbs. We’re not all the same.

BodyIQ, if you’re really interested in my reasoning, search for the “stop the nonsense!!” thread. I gave many sources.

I still find it funny that it was considered BS. Please, who went through and looked up all the sources? That’s what I thought. Who read the books? That’s what I thought. I get shit and people say I’m claiming to be an expert. I don’t know much, but I know some general things. And guess what? The people that told me I was trying to be an expert suddenly became an expert on the sources I gave, all without reading any of the books or anything! Wow!