[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Benefit is subjective. You cannot factually demonstrate a benefit because a benefit isn’t factual. You can at best demonstrate factually what one believes to be a benefit.[/quote]
You’re right. We’d have to agree maximal sensation in the penis is beneficial.
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So if we could build in artificial nerves to increase sensitivity you think that would be beneficial?
I don’t think atheism is healthy, so you need to raise your kid in the church.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?[/quote]
Still waiting[/quote]
With your dick your hand, no doubt.
You miss the point. I don’t seek to control people’s lives; you do.
I don’t care about circumcision. I care about freedom from statists like you.
You have the burden to support your desire to radically intervention into private lives.
Until then, you remain a nothing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So if we could build in artificial nerves to increase sensitivity you think that would be beneficial?[/quote]
I don’t know, maybe?
Do I really have to explain why having all the penal sensitivity you’re born with (w/ respect to a normal healthy male) is beneficial? Really? Do you think it’s not beneficial?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t think atheism is healthy, so you need to raise your kid in the church.
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Then you should consider moving to a muslim theocratic run country. Now, should I be allowed to carve my name in the back of my infant’s head? Yes or no?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t think atheism is healthy, so you need to raise your kid in the church.
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Liberal statists like Haji don’t understand the power of the state can (and will) be turned against them.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?[/quote]
Still waiting[/quote]
With your dick your hand, no doubt.
You miss the point. I don’t seek to control people’s lives; you do.
I don’t care about circumcision. I care about freedom from statists like you.
You have the burden to support your desire to radically intervention into private lives.
Until then, you remain a nothing.[/quote]
Ok.
Is carving my name into the back of my child’s head qualify as a an important freedom or would you also see that as a radical intervention into people’s private lives?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?[/quote]
Still waiting[/quote]
With your dick your hand, no doubt.
You miss the point. I don’t seek to control people’s lives; you do.
I don’t care about circumcision. I care about freedom from statists like you.
You have the burden to support your desire to radically intervention into private lives.
Until then, you remain a nothing.[/quote]
Ok.
Is carving my name into the back of my child’s head qualify as a an important freedom or would you also see that as a radical intervention into people’s private lives?
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I don’t have time for absurd hypotheticals.
You are the radical, standing against 4,000 years of history and (until liberals started attacking it) well-respected religious tradition.
You have the burden to show why whatever harm you claim is so certain that your proposed intervention into private lives must be supported.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I don’t have time for absurd hypotheticals. [/quote]
Why is it absurd?
It’s the removal of skin from an infant, completely on par with circumcision.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
You are the radical, standing against 4,000 years of history and (until liberals started attacking it) well-respected religious tradition.
You have the burden to show why whatever harm you claim is so certain that your proposed intervention into private lives must be supported.[/quote]
Well for one, no medical organization supports routine non-theraputic circumcision. There is no medical justification for it (I posted a link earlier to CB )
It reduces penal sensitivity and thus pleasure.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I don’t have time for absurd hypotheticals. [/quote]
Why is it absurd?
It’s the removal of skin from an infant, completely on par with circumcision.
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The fact that you cannot see a difference shows how unserious you are.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
You are the radical, standing against 4,000 years of history and (until liberals started attacking it) well-respected religious tradition.
You have the burden to show why whatever harm you claim is so certain that your proposed intervention into private lives must be supported.[/quote]
Well for one, no medical organization supports routine non-theraputic circumcision. There is no medical justification for it (I posted a link earlier to CB )
It reduces penal sensitivity and thus pleasure.
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That’s all just a lie, which is unsurprising from a liberal.
One google search, first hit:
The Mayo clinic lists the benefits:
Easier hygiene.
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
Prevention of penile problems.
Decreased risk of penile cancer.
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections.
Circumcision doesn’t affect fertility, nor is circumcision generally thought to enhance or detract from sexual pleasure for men or their partners.
Wow, one google search, rebutting the lies told as gospel by the racials who seek to impose their will on others.
The REAL issue here is circumcision is largely a religious thing, and you hate religion, hate people to practice religion, and seek to put their practices to stop.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
It reduces penal sensitivity and thus pleasure.
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You know, when I stopped basing my life choices on “how will it make my dick feel” and “how does this benefit my sex life” I started making much better choices.
I still enjoy sex, fyi, an awful lot too.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The Mayo clinic lists the benefits:
Easier hygiene. [/quote]
lol - I guess if you’re unfamiliar with how to shower correctly okay. All you have to do is pull your foreskin back in the shower and apply soap and water.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections.[/quote]
The American Medical Association states the rate of urinary tract infections for uncircumcised males is between 0.4-1% which is slightly higher than circumcised males. So yes, it’s likely true. However they go on to states “incidence of UTI would have to be substantially higher in uncircumcised males to justify circumcision as a preventive measure against this condition”
And it only shown to prevent UTI in the first year of life.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Prevention of penile problems. [/quote]
Vague. Specifics?
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Decreased risk of penile cancer. [/quote]
Okay, later in life.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. [/quote]
If you use a condom and clean yourself properly this is untrue.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Circumcision doesn’t affect fertility, [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
nor is circumcision generally thought to enhance or detract from sexual pleasure for men or their partners.[/quote]
Actually this is untrue. The bulk of evidence shows that uncircumcised experience more sexual pleasure.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The REAL issue here is circumcision is largely a religious thing, and you hate religion, [/quote]
Yes and yes.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
hate people to practice religion, and seek to put their practices to stop.
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No. I would like to educate them against circumcision rather than take away the right. Same goes for smoking cigarettes.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You know, when I stopped basing my life choices on “how will it make my dick feel” and “how does this benefit my sex life” I started making much better choices.[/quote]
Did you get circumcised as an adult? If it happened at infancy, you didn’t have a choice.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I still enjoy sex, fyi, an awful lot too. [/quote]
I’m sure you do. Now imagine enjoying it even more
Every “benefit” thethirdruffian stated can be found in only pro-circimcision sites and has been proven wrong by medical science. If they see the foreskin as just a little bit of skin why stop there males have no use for earlobes or nipples, pinky toes are not really needed by anyone.
How is doing it because of tradition a benefit? How is it a well-respected religious tradition?
Female circumsison has been practiced for just as long are you okay with that? The thought process that because it had been done for so long therefore it is okay is stupid.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
No. I would like to educate them against circumcision rather than take away the right. Same goes for smoking cigarettes.[/quote]
So you would be receptive to them if they were to educate you on how their religon, in their opinion, trumps your “scientific eveidence”?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You know, when I stopped basing my life choices on “how will it make my dick feel” and “how does this benefit my sex life” I started making much better choices.[/quote]
Did you get circumcised as an adult? If it happened at infancy, you didn’t have a choice.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I still enjoy sex, fyi, an awful lot too. [/quote]
I’m sure you do. Now imagine enjoying it even more[/quote]
You are, again, ignoring my point.
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
If they see the foreskin as just a little bit of skin why stop there males have no use for earlobes or nipples, pinky toes are not really needed by anyone.[/quote]
You largely don’t understand why people do it. This proves it.
Really? Think critially, you’ll get it.
Why is communion? Why do muslims kneel and pray 382 times a day?
[quote]Female circumsison has been practiced for just as long are you okay with that? The thought process that because it had been done for so long therefore it is okay is stupid.
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Calling the opposing view point stupid is such a sound argument, I don’t know what I was thinking… You have to be right, you called someone else stupid.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
No. I would like to educate them against circumcision rather than take away the right. Same goes for smoking cigarettes.[/quote]
So you would be receptive to them if they were to educate you on how their religon, in their opinion, trumps your “scientific eveidence”?[/quote]
lol what’s with the quotation marks? Do you doubt the scientific and medical findings on circumcision?
If their religious based opinions could be shown to actually trump science I sure would.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You know, when I stopped basing my life choices on “how will it make my dick feel” and “how does this benefit my sex life” I started making much better choices.[/quote]
Did you get circumcised as an adult? If it happened at infancy, you didn’t have a choice.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I still enjoy sex, fyi, an awful lot too. [/quote]
I’m sure you do. Now imagine enjoying it even more[/quote]
You are, again, ignoring my point.
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Then please clarify
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So if we could build in artificial nerves to increase sensitivity you think that would be beneficial?[/quote]
I don’t know, maybe?
Do I really have to explain why having all the penal sensitivity you’re born with (w/ respect to a normal healthy male) is beneficial? Really? Do you think it’s not beneficial?
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So, your claim is that God/Nature purposefully gave us all the right amount of sensitivity and it’s negative to tamper with that?
Then you should consider moving to a muslim theocratic run country.
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No, I don’t think you get it. I said YOUR kid. I’m making decisions on how to raise your child.
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Now, should I be allowed to carve my name in the back of my infant’s head? Yes or no?[/quote]
No. And I am endowed with the right to stop you from doing so by god. What gives you the right to stop circumcision?
You know what, spongbob and other type cartoons help create situations were kids can’t focus for more than 6 mins at a time.
Your kids can’t watch those type shows anymore.
Nope, never.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
If they see the foreskin as just a little bit of skin why stop there males have no use for earlobes or nipples, pinky toes are not really needed by anyone.[/quote]
You largely don’t understand why people do it. This proves it.
Really? Think critially, you’ll get it.
Why is communion? Why do muslims kneel and pray 382 times a day?
[quote]Female circumsison has been practiced for just as long are you okay with that? The thought process that because it had been done for so long therefore it is okay is stupid.
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Calling the opposing view point stupid is such a sound argument, I don’t know what I was thinking… You have to be right, you called someone else stupid.
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Having looked up benefit I still do not see what they may be. All the so called medical benefits have been proven wrong.
I have already said that to the Jewish it is something that is part of who they are. Medical benefits are not a real issue. I was directing my comments to people like you who do it because the men have had it done what are the benefits thre?
I do not see how praying, or communion is the same, I have not heard of boys being permanently disfigured.