Circumcision Ban

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
As I said, I don’t give a rat’s ass about how JEWISH folks treat the tips of their children’s penises. That’s THEIR thing, I get it. But why the fuck should I subjected to the risk of THEIR procedure when I can expect NONE of the upside?[/quote]

I’m glad you are so altruistic to allow at least one group of people to follow their own wishes and traditions.
[/quote]The good book specifically states (in Genesis) that the descendants of Abraham SHALL circumcise their boys after eight days or else they have broken covenant and shall have their soul cut off from his people. The good book ALSO says in Deuteronomy that a man who’s testicles are crushed or who’s penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord, so I guess my friend Max’s son is shit outta luck, but I digress. The Jewish covenant of circumcision is kinda a major part of their religion. I’m not a religious person, but I can stretch my judgement enough to make allowances for that.

BUT, how did we come from Jews being circumcised to circumcision being the standard procedure at virtually every hospital in the country? Last time I checked, Jews only account for between 2 -3% of the US population. The REST of us AIN’T descended from Abraham, so we really have no vested interest in getting the skin at the tip of our penis cut off…[quote]

But tell me, who are you to tell anyone what they can or can’t do?[/quote]

I have NO issue whatsoever with an INDIVIDUAL choosing to get himself circumcised. I DO take issue with expectant mothers drinking and smoking while they are pregnant, having kids ride around in cars without a car seat and other irresponsible actions of parents that put their kids at risk. However, when a kid grows up, I have NO problem with him smoking, drinking and not wearing a seat belt. At that point he KNOWS the risk and can make an informed decision. Same with circumcision. That little flap of foreskin belongs to YOUR SON, not YOU. When he’s old enough, he can choose to have it chopped off, but it’s not YOUR decision to make!

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I think someone else may have already mentioned this but a bris is supposed to be performed on the eighth day not after. Now a parent is often/usually called upon to make life and death decisions for their child/children, certainly up until the age of reason(7-12) and legally up until they reach majority. Even if circumcision did carry a significant level of risk(it doesn’t,) the argument that legislation should be enacted to prevent parents from making the decision is absurd.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
My view on circumcision, it should be treated the same as hunting. Don’t kill anything you don’t intend to eat.

(^=^)b[/quote]

Wut?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why do you consider circumcision an important tradition to pass on to your son if you aren’t bound by any religious obligation?

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non-religious obligation.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
My view on circumcision, it should be treated the same as hunting. Don’t kill anything you don’t intend to eat.

(^=^)b[/quote]

Somewhat off topic:

I swear I read somewhere that there are people that eat the placenta…

shiver Gross man, just gross[/quote]

Pure protein, man.

Heh.

Apparently the practice does occur, but is not a regular cultural phenomenon in any known group:

[i]Human placentophagy

Although the placenta is revered in many cultures, there is scarce evidence that any customarily eat the placenta after the newborn’s birth.[4] Despite an urban legend that the Basque people ate placentas, there is no evidence that they ever did,[4] and the Euskara word for placenta, karena, is not etymologically related to their word for cannibalism, gizajana.

Those who advocate placentophagy in humans believe that eating the placenta prevents postpartum depression and other pregnancy complications[5]. Obstetrician and spokesperson for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Maggie Blott disputes the post-natal depression theory, stating there is no medical reason to eat the placenta; “Animals eat their placenta to get nutrition - but when people are already well-nourished, there is no benefit, there is no reason to do it.”[/i]

On a yet further side note, I used to own an old published script from an episode (or perhaps a number of episodes) of Saturday Night Live. One of the self-censored scenes was a commercial for Placenta Helper.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
My view on circumcision, it should be treated the same as hunting. Don’t kill anything you don’t intend to eat.

(^=^)b[/quote]

Somewhat off topic:

I swear I read somewhere that there are people that eat the placenta…

shiver Gross man, just gross[/quote]

Pure protein, man.

Heh.

Apparently the practice does occur, but is not a regular cultural phenomenon in any known group:

[i]Human placentophagy

Although the placenta is revered in many cultures, there is scarce evidence that any customarily eat the placenta after the newborn’s birth.[4] Despite an urban legend that the Basque people ate placentas, there is no evidence that they ever did,[4] and the Euskara word for placenta, karena, is not etymologically related to their word for cannibalism, gizajana.

Those who advocate placentophagy in humans believe that eating the placenta prevents postpartum depression and other pregnancy complications[5]. Obstetrician and spokesperson for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Maggie Blott disputes the post-natal depression theory, stating there is no medical reason to eat the placenta; “Animals eat their placenta to get nutrition - but when people are already well-nourished, there is no benefit, there is no reason to do it.”[/i]

On a yet further side note, I used to own an old published script from an episode (or perhaps a number of episodes) of Saturday Night Live. One of the self-censored scenes was a commercial for Placenta Helper.
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Ugh, I saw them pull that sack out… F THAT NOISE.

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This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.

That’s a classic “none of your fucking business” situation, like whether or not to spank or whether or not to eat meat or whether or not to breast feed.

Leave families alone to raise their kids as they see fit, except in the most drastic, clear-cut, of situations.

Go deal with junkie crack whores on welfare spurting out one crack baby after the other.

When you’re done with them, we’ll worry about all the Jew doctors’ penises. You know, because Jews are so fucking unsuccessful, this must be the problem.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.

That’s a classic “none of your fucking business” situation, like whether or not to spank or whether or not to eat meat or whether or not to breast feed.

Leave families alone to raise their kids as they see fit, except in the most drastic, clear-cut, of situations.

Go deal with junkie crack whores on welfare spurting out one crack baby after the other.

When you’re done with them, we’ll worry about all the Jew doctors’ penises. You know, because Jews are so fucking unsuccessful, this must be the problem.[/quote]

There are no benefits.

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.

That’s a classic “none of your fucking business” situation, like whether or not to spank or whether or not to eat meat or whether or not to breast feed.

Leave families alone to raise their kids as they see fit, except in the most drastic, clear-cut, of situations.

Go deal with junkie crack whores on welfare spurting out one crack baby after the other.

When you’re done with them, we’ll worry about all the Jew doctors’ penises. You know, because Jews are so fucking unsuccessful, this must be the problem.[/quote]

There are no benefits. [/quote]

There are some, but they’re very minor.

If you suck at cleaning your body, circumcision is for you.

Also if you plan on nailing someone with AIDs without a condom, you’re less likely to contract HIV.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.
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Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

There are no benefits. [/quote]

Maybe not to you, in your opinion or religion no.

But I would imagine a couple of Jews would disagree.

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[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.

That’s a classic “none of your fucking business” situation, like whether or not to spank or whether or not to eat meat or whether or not to breast feed.

Leave families alone to raise their kids as they see fit, except in the most drastic, clear-cut, of situations.

Go deal with junkie crack whores on welfare spurting out one crack baby after the other.

When you’re done with them, we’ll worry about all the Jew doctors’ penises. You know, because Jews are so fucking unsuccessful, this must be the problem.[/quote]

There are no benefits. [/quote]

Yes, we understand you are a radical statist, unable to see the other side of any argument, and who think you know best how to control society, down to how they treat their genetalia.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
This is such trivial bullshit. Yeah, we can argue the pros-and-cons of cicumcision.

It’s been around 4000 years. There are some health benefits. There are some health costs.
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Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?[/quote]

Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are controlling people’s private lives?

It’s none of your fucking business (or mine).

This circumcision nonsense is the perfect example of how liberals, who claim to be about “freedom,” are really about just imposing their will (what they perceive as “better”) on others.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are controlling people’s private lives?[/quote]

So I take it you’re not going to answer?

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

It’s none of your fucking business (or mine).

This circumcision nonsense is the perfect example of how liberals, who claim to be about “freedom,” are really about just imposing their will (what they perceive as “better”) on others.[/quote]

How do you decide when the state has a right to intervene in the private lives of people?

If I wanted to scrape my name into the back of my infant’s head, would that also qualify as no one’s business but mine?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

There are no benefits. [/quote]

Maybe not to you, in your opinion or religion no.

But I would imagine a couple of Jews would disagree.[/quote]

We are talking about demonstrable benefits here.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are controlling people’s private lives?[/quote]

So I take it you’re not going to answer?

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So I take it you’re not going to answer? You’re the one seeking to demand families change a widespread practice that has existed for 4,000 +/- years.

You have the burden of proof for your radical intervention into the private lives of others.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

There are no benefits. [/quote]

Maybe not to you, in your opinion or religion no.

But I would imagine a couple of Jews would disagree.[/quote]

We are talking about demonstrable benefits here.

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Benefit is subjective. You cannot factually demonstrate a benefit because a benefit isn’t factual. You can at best demonstrate factually what one believes to be a benefit.

So, why is your belief about what is or isn’t a benefit more valid than the parents? And why exactly must they prove it to you?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:.

So, why is your belief about what is or isn’t a benefit more valid than the parents? And why exactly must they prove it to you?
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Because the liberals’ statists real goal is complete control of each person, from womb to tomb.

They believe they know best and desire the power of the State to impose their version of utopia on others.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

So I take it you’re not going to answer? You’re the one seeking to demand families change a widespread practice that has existed for 4,000 +/- years. [/quote]

You’re just perpetuating the same fallacy you did in the green lantern thread. Because something is around a long time or “time tested” does not speak to it’s credibility.

Google Appeal to tradition fallacy

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

You have the burden of proof for your radical intervention into the private lives of others.
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I’m not demanding it, just hoping to educate people.

Well for one, uncircumcised men have more feeling in their penises.

the foreskin “is rich in specialized sensory nerve endings and erogenous tissue.”

https://www.cpsbc.ca/files/u6/Circumcision-Infant-Male.pdf

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Benefit is subjective. You cannot factually demonstrate a benefit because a benefit isn’t factual. You can at best demonstrate factually what one believes to be a benefit.[/quote]

You’re right. We’d have to agree maximal sensation in the penis is beneficial.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

So, why is your belief about what is or isn’t a benefit more valid than the parents? And why exactly must they prove it to you? [/quote]

Agreed.

I will now carve my name in the back of my child’s head. No one has the right to tell me otherwise! Why exactly must I prove to anyone it’s not?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why don’t you tell us what benefits there are for circumcising an infant?[/quote]

Still waiting