[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m sorry are having trouble with your lack of foreskin.[/quote]
This is the gist of the situation. Western Civilization today has one end in mind…orgasm. They act rather like herion fiends about it, they throw everything out the window to get it. And, if anyone tries to stop them from reaching it it is a hate crime or someone is a prude or something.
We eat because of it, we sleep because of it, we workout because of it, we base our philosophy and theology around it.
When it comes down to circumcision…these guys have been told by someone that they are missing something, and without this piece of skin they can’t have the ultimate orgasm. So, they have been “mutilated” and it is understandable why they are upset. But, at the end of the day orgasms don’t make you happy, and not having a foreskin doesn’t take away feeling anyway. [/quote]
Busting a nut in my GF sure puts a smile on my face.[/quote]
I have no doubt it does, but does it truly make you happy to not be in a committed relationship? Objectifying your GF? I’d say each their own, but that is BS.[/quote]
Who said we’re not in a committed relationship?[/quote]
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
But from most Catholics I know, committed just means unhappy relationship you can’t get out of because of religious beliefs so I can see how it might be confusing.[/quote]
I understand you left-wingers have difficulty with the definition of marriage, so I’m not surprised if you don’t recognize that marriage takes work and that there are some people who are lazy asses who won’t put in the work in the first place and were seemingly brainwashed that marriage is all rainbows and puppy dog tails or steak sandwiches and burr. Those people should probably get a reality check before they get married (I agree), but just because their are dumb asses who get married, there are dumb asses that do a lot of stuff doesn’t make the stuff not right to do. But those dumb asses go and get married and because they end up going into a marriage for the sake of self-satisfaction instead of self giving and self sacrifice…they are miserable. Any life that is self-centered is going to be miserable, happiness comes from self giving to another. Ultimate happiness comes from giving oneself to God, however let’s keep it to marriage. Self giving, which most people find very rewarding actually and brings more joy to their lives than the self-centered and immediate gratification that some live, in marriage is what will make it work. You do stuff for her, she does stuff for you, and you both have a common goal (bringing together a family) and it works…every time. Don’t believe me? How many divorces are because the spouses gave too much of themselves to their spouse? I’m still looking and I can’t find it.
Who said we’re not in a committed relationship?[/quote]
You’re married? Didn’t know that.
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Do you want to get married? If so you’ll be hard pressed to find a woman uninterested in pre marital sex.
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Lol. Yes, some may believe they want pre-marital sex, sometimes I even want pre-marital sex. Merely wanting it doesn’t mean it has to happen. We’re not robots, we don’t have wants or needs and have to fulfill them by some biological code programmed into us. We can strive for virtue. That’s good because without formation of one’s conscience, one is interested in a lot of things that won’t ultimately bring about happiness. I come from a long line of alcoholics, I’m probably one by blood (if that is true). I know that getting drunk would seem like it would make me happy, but ultimately it doesn’t. So, I never have and I drink unto hilarity. But, I regress.
If they know what will bring true happiness, they’ll disregard that urge if they have it and work towards wanting to wait. And, I’m not hard pressed to find them, go to any thriving Newman Center in American and you’ll find a whole chapel full of 'em. Sorority ladies, too.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
If it is your goal to marry and procreate you’ll have to let your premarital sex rule slide.[/quote]
This is not true. I’d even wager to bet that most premarital sex is initiated by the male. Well, that’s always been the case with the people I know and me.
Who said we’re not in a committed relationship?[/quote]
You’re married? Didn’t know that.
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Do you want to get married? If so you’ll be hard pressed to find a woman uninterested in pre marital sex.
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Are you suggesting he should forget his morals because something is difficult?[/quote]
I am stating the reality of life in north America. If you want to get married you must play the game.
Or you can stick to these morals and never procreate which I KNOW he places a lot of value in.
It is what is, basically.
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Actually, I’m sterile. I’ve a complicated medical history, thanks for asking. But it’s actually your secular modern ladies who are childless. Contracepted to the gills that they are. That’s why you’ve been panicking about Muslims replacing Europeans lately, remember?
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Yea it’s a result of feminist movement/rejection of Christianty/increased female opportunities.
My sister is a dental surgeon and she is looking to adopt in order to not sidetrack her career.
There I shared part of my personal life as well.
Also my comment about premarital sex tracks back to your reply to mak about committed relationship vs marriage.
It was within the context of our discussion not a call out.
Who said we’re not in a committed relationship?[/quote]
You’re married? Didn’t know that.
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Do you want to get married? If so you’ll be hard pressed to find a woman uninterested in pre marital sex.
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Lol. Yes, some may believe they want pre-marital sex, sometimes I even want pre-marital sex. Merely wanting it doesn’t mean it has to happen. We’re not robots, we don’t have wants or needs and have to fulfill them by some biological code programmed into us. We can strive for virtue. That’s good because without formation of one’s conscience, one is interested in a lot of things that won’t ultimately bring about happiness. I come from a long line of alcoholics, I’m probably one by blood (if that is true). I know that getting drunk would seem like it would make me happy, but ultimately it doesn’t. So, I never have and I drink unto hilarity. But, I regress.
If they know what will bring true happiness, they’ll disregard that urge if they have it and work towards wanting to wait. And, I’m not hard pressed to find them, go to any thriving Newman Center in American and you’ll find a whole chapel full of 'em. Sorority ladies, too. :)[/quote]
A lot of these promise ring “virgin” girls have an “anything but” policy.
They do anything but vaginal intercourse until marriage.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
If it is your goal to marry and procreate you’ll have to let your premarital sex rule slide.[/quote]
This is not true. I’d even wager to bet that most premarital sex is initiated by the male. Well, that’s always been the case with the people I know and me.[/quote]
I said it before and I’ll say it again. You’re extremely socially unaware of how people are.
Yea it’s a result of feminist movement/rejection of Christianty/increased female opportunities.
My sister is a dental surgeon and she is looking to adopt in order to not sidetrack her career.
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So, yeah, those ideals suck at building families. Keep on trucking in the much more religious, family producing, immigrants. Remember the most popular child name in the UK? You should, you pointed it out.
Yea it’s a result of feminist movement/rejection of Christianty/increased female opportunities.
My sister is a dental surgeon and she is looking to adopt in order to not sidetrack her career.
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So, yeah, those ideals suck at building families. Keep on trucking in the much more religious, family producing, immigrants. Remember the most popular child name in the UK? You should, you pointed it out.[/quote]
We’ve been over this. You need to take away women’s rights and opportunities.
There is no incentive for women to marry when they can provide for themselves.
If a woman doesn’t get married in the east she gore hungry.
You folks are a Darwinian dead end (ironically) who can do nothing else but replace themselves with religious immigrants, and you think we have something to learn from your barren, aborted, contracepted morality?
I don’t think you’re naive enough to believe that most of the married parents at your church abstained from premarital sex. Even the ‘reproducers’ are having premarital sex.
I was really just stating how things work in 2012.
Good or bad secular culture is here to stay. At the end of the day you’ll have to decide if your premarital sex stance is of greater importance than your desire to form a family unit. No judgement just stating reality.
Yea it’s a result of feminist movement/rejection of Christianty/increased female opportunities.
My sister is a dental surgeon and she is looking to adopt in order to not sidetrack her career.
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So, yeah, those ideals suck at building families. Keep on trucking in the much more religious, family producing, immigrants. Remember the most popular child name in the UK? You should, you pointed it out.[/quote]
We’ve been over this. You need to take away women’s rights and opportunities.
There is no incentive for women to marry when they can provide for themselves.
If a woman doesn’t get married in the east she gore hungry.[/quote]
They cannot provide for themselves.
Either there is a man or, via the state, there is a whole nation of men paying the bills.
What this whole system does achieve though is that the man is indeed seem as superfluous and has nothing to gain from marrying.
He gets neither the respect nor the pride he would from providing for a family and if she happens to decide to leave, and chances are she will, he is utterly fucked financially.
Another one of these oh so well meant programs that just so happens to destroy the foundations of a functioning society.
Good or bad secular culture is here to stay.
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No, its not.
You have devoutly religious people outbreeding secular culture.
The Mormons in the US, Muslims in Europe and you would not believe how fast a society can be replaced if one group starts having children at the age of 18-20 instead of 30-35 and has 4 children instead of 1,5.
