[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Brick,
Regardless of how you get there I’m interested to see your progress. I will be starting up Round 1 of RFL on 4/5 and I’m interested to hear your take as a veteran of the diet. GL.
Your RFL vs V-Diet thread was a classic, a must read for anyone looking to try either.[/quote]
Thank you. I’ll post what happened. I’m on it for a week and a half so far and it’s going great. My training hasn’t suffered ONE bit and running is becoming easier and easier.
I’d just do it. If 1-3 cigarettes in a week will make it easy to get through, then why not? It’s not gonna kill you overnight.
Also, how much have you lost in the week and a half you’ve been dieting? I just got the book, and it promises between 4-7 pounds of pure fat lost, and in total between 10-20 pounds. I’m starting next week, so I’m hoping that it delivers what it promises.
EDIT: If it’s not too much trouble, could you tell me some meals you eat during the day? I think the grilled chicken breasts and canned tuna is gonna get boring pretty quick. There’s some recipies in the back of the book but most if it is salad and stuff.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
I’d just do it. If 1-3 cigarettes in a week will make it easy to get through, then why not? It’s not gonna kill you overnight.
Also, how much have you lost in the week and a half you’ve been dieting? I just got the book, and it promises between 4-7 pounds of pure fat lost, and in total between 10-20 pounds. I’m starting next week, so I’m hoping that it delivers what it promises.
EDIT: If it’s not too much trouble, could you tell me some meals you eat during the day? I think the grilled chicken breasts and canned tuna is gonna get boring pretty quick. There’s some recipies in the back of the book but most if it is salad and stuff.[/quote]
My plan:
230 to 250 grams of protein per day (lean as possible)
4 to 6 servings of fibrous veggies per day (and VERY small amount or peas and beans)
At least one serving of salmon, trout, or sardines per day (I don’t use fish oil capsules)
Yesterdays intake:
Meal 1:
Omelete made of:
8 egg whites
onions and spinach
2 oz lean ham
Meal 2:
1 cup cottage cheese
1 scoop protein powder in water
Meal 3:
7 oz canned chicken
1 cup of veggies
Meal 4:
7 oz salmon steak
1 cup veggies
Meal 5:
4 oz can tuna
This diet IS boring and I don’t see any exciting meals in that book either.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
I’d just do it. If 1-3 cigarettes in a week will make it easy to get through, then why not? It’s not gonna kill you overnight.
Also, how much have you lost in the week and a half you’ve been dieting? I just got the book, and it promises between 4-7 pounds of pure fat lost, and in total between 10-20 pounds. I’m starting next week, so I’m hoping that it delivers what it promises.
EDIT: If it’s not too much trouble, could you tell me some meals you eat during the day? I think the grilled chicken breasts and canned tuna is gonna get boring pretty quick. There’s some recipies in the back of the book but most if it is salad and stuff.[/quote]
He doesn’t promise, nor should any nutritionist, dietitian, or fitness trainer. He wrote “lose UP TO 4 to 7 pounds of fat and 10 to 20 pounds in 2 weeks”.
I’ve lost 5 pounds so far.
More power to you. I’ve done the extreme dieting once. I freakin hated it. Personally I felt like I lost too much muscle on it. I definitely prefer the 5 month lean out cycle. That being said, I completely understand you do what you need to do to get through a dieting phase; the more extreme, the more unconventional sometimes your coping mechanisms can become. Hell, I do small amounts of cannabis smoking on a nightly basis through this leaning out process. It calms me down when I’m wired from the low carb diet and I get to sleep peacefully. Works for me.
What ever makes you feel better about yourself. I do have a lot of gym and nutritional experience; you can “mock” me but I don’t really care.
From what I can see from you avatar you aren’t a threat. Give me shit again it don’t bother me because your quite obviously a gimp.
I actually will smoke a cigarette from time to time as well. I am not addicted nor have I ever been, but I really don’t have an addictive personality. To say to be careful if you have an addictive personality is fair but for those coming on here saying he’s a moron are just out of line. IMO cigarettes have a worse wrap then they deserve. If you can casually smoke a cigarette maybe once a day for a short period of time without getting addicted what’s the problem? I smoke occasionally to keep myself awake on my long commute home after working several hours of over time. If you smoke a pack a day, yes you will have issues in the long run, but I mean really, try drinking a pack of soda a day, or eating a pack of cookies a day EVERYDAY and see how well off you are in 30 years. Food can be just as addictive as cigarettes and just as deadly but people don’t get all bent outta shape if someone mentions that they eat a cookie from time to time. People abuse cigarettes and they pay the consequences just like people abuse food. But if you practice self discipline and know your body you shouldn’t have any issues.
I say if it’s for a short period and you know you wont get addicted then do what you gotta do to reach your goals. Just my opinion.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
He doesn’t promise, nor should any nutritionist, dietitian, or fitness trainer. He wrote “lose UP TO 4 to 7 pounds of fat and 10 to 20 pounds in 2 weeks”.
I’ve lost 5 pounds so far. [/quote]
I think I rushed my comment a little, I didn’t mean that he guarantees anything.
Anyways, thanks for the sample meals, gives me some inspiration.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And to add: And that lack of respect is tolerated on the internet because it must be; physical violence and verbal abuse aren’t possible on here, so grown men aren’t afraid to say what they want at the most inappropriate times. [/quote]
You’d beat someone up for saying smoking a cigarette to get healthier is a dumb fucking idea? You got bent out of shape for nothing.[/quote]
I wouldn’t attempt to beat someone up unless I was threatened with physical harm myself. [/quote]
Hmmm - I saw your unedited posts, nice stuff.
I post for the benefit of your health and others. Such an irresponsible notion needs to be called out for what it is.
Too many good friends, who only smoked once in a while on a night out, would proudly claim they could never get hooked. Crap. It happens much more often than not. An addiction ramps up over a few years of occasional use before developing into a daily habit - its the way it works. Its fundamentally not in the control for 9/10 people and one of the many joys of an addiction is that you will think it is under your control and devise rationalisations for your behaviour until it is finally unambiguously a full blown habit.
Brik & Andrew - you are both smokers. You are doing precisely what you need to be doing to form daily habits. And no, cookies are not a good comparison for the addictiveness of nicotine and the harm of tobacco. It tops the Henningfield and Benowitz dependence scales (% users to become dependent) compared to other drugs and widely reported from ex-users that its harder to quit smoking than smack.
What is painfully ironic is that the approaches you need to succeed on a diet are the same as you need to beat an addiction - will-power, distraction and substitution.
Perhaps the strict dieting is not for you :shrug:
Brick- give the GSD a chance, you won’t be near as hungry and still experience fantastic results, minus the cigs.
Come on man, what did you expect to get from people on a site that does focus on health as well.
Man up with no cigs, or realize it really is a dumb idea.
GSD, GSD, GSD
[quote]Sosruko wrote:
What ever makes you feel better about yourself. I do have a lot of gym and nutritional experience; you can “mock” me but I don’t really care.
From what I can see from you avatar you aren’t a threat. Give me shit again it don’t bother me because your quite obviously a gimp.[/quote]
That’s actually a dated pic. Currently I’m 220 at 5’10", so I’m not exactly small, and at my biggest weighed 250 and have put up some nice numbers.
So far no cigarette smoked in 3 days, nor do I have the slightest desire to have one tonight. Like everyone else, my hunger varies from day to day, and on this diet, even more so. Sometimes on the diet, I have a somewhat euphoric feeling in which it feels like I can go hours without eating, and other times I’m ravenous and agitated.
Two cigarettes smoked–with no strong desire to smoke them for recreation or fun–in a week and half is going to cook me.
A site that promotes health? Collectively, yes. But have you seen some of the older articles from Anthony Roberts? The one on DNP use and another in which he speaks of using an Epi-pen and nicotine patches for a figure athlete he got ready for a show?
As for me being a gimp. Sorry, I’m far from that. That’s fucking comical!
This thread is starting to piss me off from the guys coming on here and spouting the “holier than thou” you shall not do this, you should do that. STFU. This original thread post wasn’t “should I smoke cigarettes on a RFL diet” or “what do you think about me smoking cigarettes on an RFL diet”. He was basically asking can anyone else relate to undergoing some temporary extreme measures while undergoing extreme dieting. Bricknyce, I can relate. Whatever works for you. To everyone else’s judgmental posts; like I said: STFU.
Hey, I’m going to do meth and chemo to lose weight, but I wanna know what diet to accompany it. Get outta here with your holy than thou attitude as well
Its a shame that some people have been disrespectful and insulting to you Brick, because it just obscures whats an otherwise valid message. I’m not judging you here, just trying to point out some things I’ve learned through the years.
Every single person that eventually gets addicted to anything, cigarettes included, starts out saying they’ll only do it occasionally, they have it under control, they’ll never let themselves get addicted. Every. single. person. They all think they will be the one who knows how to really control it.
Yes, I know this from personal experience with cigarettes many, many years ago, as well as seeing old friends from high school, years later, and where they’ve gone in life (stronger substances than nicotine, but the principle is the same)
Even if you do manage to beat the odds and not eventually become a regular smoker, I know I find it more satisfying to pursue a more completely healthy lifestyle in general. But obviously I don’t know you personally, so maybe you don’t feel like I do on that subject.
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And to add: And that lack of respect is tolerated on the internet because it must be; physical violence and verbal abuse aren’t possible on here, so grown men aren’t afraid to say what they want at the most inappropriate times. [/quote]
You’d beat someone up for saying smoking a cigarette to get healthier is a dumb fucking idea? You got bent out of shape for nothing.[/quote]
I wouldn’t attempt to beat someone up unless I was threatened with physical harm myself. [/quote]
Hmmm - I saw your unedited posts, nice stuff.
I post for the benefit of your health and others. Such an irresponsible notion needs to be called out for what it is.
Too many good friends, who only smoked once in a while on a night out, would proudly claim they could never get hooked. Crap. It happens much more often than not. An addiction ramps up over a few years of occasional use before developing into a daily habit - its the way it works. Its fundamentally not in the control for 9/10 people and one of the many joys of an addiction is that you will think it is under your control and devise rationalisations for your behaviour until it is finally unambiguously a full blown habit.
Brik & Andrew - you are both smokers. You are doing precisely what you need to be doing to form daily habits. And no, cookies are not a good comparison for the addictiveness of nicotine and the harm of tobacco. It tops the Henningfield and Benowitz dependence scales (% users to become dependent) compared to other drugs and widely reported from ex-users that its harder to quit smoking than smack.
What is painfully ironic is that the approaches you need to succeed on a diet are the same as you need to beat an addiction - will-power, distraction and substitution.
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Benowitz and Henninfield dependency scales don’t measure junk food. But look at the criteria they use to measure the addictive nature of a substance and apply it to junk food and you can pretty much see how dangerously addictive junk food is. I am in NO WAY advocating that smoking is okay or safe, simply stating that I think smoking in light moderation is no more addictive then eating junk food in light moderation. I do enjoy living a healthy life style and don’t particularly enjoy the fact that I need to smoke to stay awake for my 2hr drive home but it does do the job and keeps me from falling asleep and killing somebody, but doesn’t leave me all amp’d up and unable to sleep at night. However I only smoke maybe one cigarette every 2 weeks or so, if that. To each his own, for me smoking a cigarette every 2 weeks seems safer then possibly falling asleep on the road which I’ve almost done a couple of times.
This thread is hilarious. 4-6 cigarettes, in TOTAL, being compared to mething your way through a diet. I got several good laughs from this thread 
Bricknyce: Do you find you’re able to keep the weight off from this diet? I only know a few people who have tried it, but each one said they regained the weight pretty quickly. What has your experience been with the long term success of this diet?
[quote]schism45 wrote:
This thread is hilarious. 4-6 cigarettes, in TOTAL, being compared to mething your way through a diet. I got several good laughs from this thread
Bricknyce: Do you find you’re able to keep the weight off from this diet? I only know a few people who have tried it, but each one said they regained the weight pretty quickly. What has your experience been with the long term success of this diet?[/quote]
Yes, because of course I was saying they are equal. Geez, try reading between the lines sometimes
OP has successfully argued with everyone who did not support his idea… what was this thread for again?
Didn’t read all the posts so sorry if its been said, I’d rather chew tabacco than smoke for cardio reasons. I know your not smoking many but still.