[quote]Oleena wrote:
Another thing God’s incapable of: forgiving those who speak against the Holy Spirit.
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It give atheists a way to look daring in public, I suppose. Otherwise, I’m not particularly moved to reassure atheists the fairness of the afterlife they don’t believe in. /Shrug. Most believe I’m going to oblivion, but I don’t offense.
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In your opinion do you think it’s right though? Do you think that people who act morally in every way but reject god should burn in hell for all of eternity?
I’m asking for your specific opinion.[/quote]
First, they haven’t acted morally ‘in every’ way. No one does. And, most grievously in rejecting him who could/would absolve him.
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So basically you’re saying is you think it’s just that all non-Christians no matter what else they did in their life deserve eternal torture?
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Yeah buddy.
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Well, at least your honest. No matter how horrid that opinion may be.
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Well, isn’t that relative?
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No.
By definition infinite punishment for a finite crime is unjust.[/quote]
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Yet he still dodges the question about whether or not he would want to follow a man who acted like god is described to (as I posted above).[/quote]
A man who acted like God? No. That’s God’s jurisdiction.
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You failed to read the post I referenced. Acted like God as described in the bible according to ethics, not omnipotence. Here, I will take the word “God” right out of it, so we don’t have to worry about that pesky qualifier.
Would you want to follow a leader(man) who was willing to forgive pedophiles, serial killers, rapists, etc, and do his best to give them a long, happy life, as long as they said he was king, but would put to death anyone who spoke against him being king?
Would you want to follow a leader(man) who was willing to forgive pedophiles, serial killers, rapists, etc, and do his best to give them a long, happy life, as long as they said he was king, but would put to death anyone who spoke against him being king?[/quote]
Well, if I do end up facing god one day and he sends me to hell for not believing in him, I can hold my head high knowing I’m more moral than him.[/quote]
Well, if I do end up facing god one day and he sends me to hell for not believing in him, I can hold my head high knowing I’m more moral than him.[/quote]
…knowing I’m more moral than him.
Thinking, you’re more moral than him. Thinking.
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No, I know I am.
He chose the most inefficient way to get his message across and made it extremely difficult to believe in him. If he had just shown himself to me I would believe, instead he chose not to.
Even you and your fellow theists can’t agree on everything. What does that say about the delivery of his message?
Well, if I do end up facing god one day and he sends me to hell for not believing in him, I can hold my head high knowing I’m more moral than him.[/quote]
…knowing I’m more moral than him.
Thinking, you’re more moral than him. Thinking.
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No, I know I am.
He chose the most inefficient way to get his message across and made it extremely difficult to believe in him. If he had just shown himself to me I would believe, instead he chose not to.
Even you and your fellow theists can’t agree on everything. What does that say about the delivery of his message?
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Our plight, has no bearing on what you could possibly know. No, you can’t ‘know.’ Sorry. There is no formula, no model, no equation for this.
Your ‘knowing’ is a religious utterance. You can’t falsify it. It’s opinion.
Isn’t it your responsibility to reach out to all nonbelievers?[/quote]
No.
For one, I don’t try for Catholic–or Christian, to be more general–converts here. No more so than I would stand up in a restaurant to do so. I tend to talk religion in general on this forum.
Secondly, I doubt there’s a non-christian here who is ignorant of the most basic Christian gospels. So they’ve already consciously rejected Christianity/Christ.
Well, if I do end up facing god one day and he sends me to hell for not believing in him, I can hold my head high knowing I’m more moral than him.[/quote]
…knowing I’m more moral than him.
Thinking, you’re more moral than him. Thinking.
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No, I know I am.
He chose the most inefficient way to get his message across and made it extremely difficult to believe in him. If he had just shown himself to me I would believe, instead he chose not to.
Even you and your fellow theists can’t agree on everything. What does that say about the delivery of his message?
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Our plight, has no bearing on what you could possibly know. No, you can’t ‘know.’ Sorry. There is no formula, no model, no equation for this.
Your ‘knowing’ is a religious utterance. You can’t falsify it. It’s opinion.
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By everything we judge as moral on planet Earth I can say i’m more moral than god.
Remember, Jeffrey Dahmer was saved in prison, there’s a distinct possibility he’s in heaven, American hero Pat Tillman is not.
By everything we judge as moral on planet Earth I can say i’m more moral than god.
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Who is ‘we?’ You and I disagree as it is.
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Okay, answer this: Is the Bible an accurate representation of god’s character?[/quote]
Sure, with proper understanding in cooperation with the Church. The bible came after the Church, through the Church. That’s as far I’m going with this. Sectarian stuff doesn’t interest me here, and this can’t help but get Sectarian. Look at Christian history, check out Catholic and Eastern Orthodox understanding.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When the Bible says god commands something, is it accurate?[/quote]
About as accurate as any other work that started as a collection of stories that were passed along orally through multiple generations and the written down, translated, interpreted, translated, reinterpreted and translated, as well as having gone through several committees to determine which stories/accounts to include/keep and which ones to not include.
By everything we judge as moral on planet Earth I can say i’m more moral than god.
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Who is ‘we?’ You and I disagree as it is.
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Okay, answer this: Is the Bible an accurate representation of god’s character?[/quote]
Was this meant as a reply, or are you onto something else, by the way? I’m not doing Christian defense. So if you’re looking for a full fledged apologetics session from me, not interested. Don’t mistake me for someone looking for converts here. Get thee to a priest if that’s what you’re after. I simply knew the subject (holy spirit) of John 16, and could quickly demonstrate it with a multitude of verses.
By everything we judge as moral on planet Earth I can say i’m more moral than god.
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Who is ‘we?’ You and I disagree as it is.
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Okay, answer this: Is the Bible an accurate representation of god’s character?[/quote]
Was this meant as a reply, or are you onto something else, by the way? I’m not doing Christian defense. So if you’re looking for a full fledged apologetics session from me, not interested. Don’t mistake me for someone looking for converts here. Get thee to a priest if that’s what you’re after. I simply knew the subject (holy spirit) of John 16, and could quickly demonstrate it with a multitude of verses.
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No, it was to discuss god’s morality and why see myself as much moral to god even if it’s just an opinion.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When the Bible says god commands something, is it accurate?[/quote]
About as accurate as any other work that started as a collection of stories that were passed along orally through multiple generations and the written down, translated, interpreted, translated, reinterpreted and translated, as well as having gone through several committees to determine which stories/accounts to include/keep and which ones to not include.[/quote]