Children Singing Praises to Obama

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

What does “they sang the songs was because of racial inequality” even mean. you admitting these schools/children/administrators are the ones being racist.

How about I’m mad because my tax dollars going to schools are being used as a campaign contribution.[/quote]

Schools are funded mostly by local property taxes, not federal income taxes.

[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

What does “they sang the songs was because of racial inequality” even mean. you admitting these schools/children/administrators are the ones being racist.

How about I’m mad because my tax dollars going to schools are being used as a campaign contribution.

Schools are funded mostly by local property taxes, not federal income taxes.[/quote]

The argument of what specific tax goes to education is kinda silly. What goes into a governmental pot is really just one big pot. however, the federal government does pay for some of public education, and states are also a big chunk. local taxes are only about half of funding.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

What does “they sang the songs was because of racial inequality” even mean. you admitting these schools/children/administrators are the ones being racist.

How about I’m mad because my tax dollars going to schools are being used as a campaign contribution.[/quote]

That’s a pretty big streeetccch there compadre. It was done of their own choosing and has got nothing to do with your money.

Don’t make me really spell it out dude, it’s pretty simple. racial inequality causes hopelessness, barack Obama inspires hope about racial inequality. Therefore, the videos were made to inspire further change in racial inequality via barracks messages and were not an act of leftist agenda as has been suggested. Happy?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

Reread my answer to your post, I clearly pointed out exactly why I felt it was wrong.[/quote]

I got no beef with you ZEB, I read your post. Double standards are bullshit, I’m merely suggesting what I believe is the real motivation for the videos.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

Reread my answer to your post, I clearly pointed out exactly why I felt it was wrong.

I got no beef with you ZEB, I read your post. Double standards are bullshit, I’m merely suggesting what I believe is the real motivation for the videos.[/quote]

Glad we understand each other regarding the double standard in the liberal media. As far as your other argument it seems to me that if those black children were gathered together on their own time away from school grounds singing about Obama no one would have a problem with it. As I already stated I think it’s great if black kids can have a positive role model. What have they had prior to this at such a level?

Take care.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Cortes wrote:
I’m bookmarking this thread for posterity the next time a conservative is elected president and we start to go down this whole road again, only I’m fairly certain that many of the same posters are not going to be philosophically musing upon the efficacy of children taking an interest in politics.

Either using our state and school system to indoctrinate children with political ideology is bad, or it isn’t.

Again, if this had been the same kind of thing 4 years prior, it’d be a completely different thread. The hypocrisy is so ripe I can taste it.

Dude, it’s not about fucking politics. This goes for ZEB to, every single video the author showed depicted black or latino people singing songs about hope and achievement. In these instances it’s solely about race and the fact that Barack Obama was elected president. Try and use your imagination a little bit.

Nonsense, if there were a room full of white kids singing praises to GW Bush in a midwestern elementary school a couple of years ago the liberal media would have tripped all over themselves screaming about indoctrination.

It’s just the old nauseating double standard, nothing more.

Utter nonsense eh? Riddle me this ZEB, if this issue is not about racial inequality then how many of the videos the author found showed white kids singing songs of hope about Obama? Try zero ZEB.
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Everyone stop the race shit, either we are equal or we aren’t, if it is ok for one group to get behind their race it is ok for all.

If it isn’t it isn’t that is equality not this special interest propoganda people keep spouting.

People in my area would know better then to even try this in a school with our children. Either side, no matter what color, you don’t teach this in schools. Schools are for education; reading, math and science, possibly business medicine.

Another reason to do away with public schools, it is a parents responsibility to educate and care for their children. Not the communities. You should not be taxed in order for my child to be educated, nor should you have any say in what ideology, religion or guidance I offer them.

People in this country have become so infused with dependence on the government they don’t even see that they have no freedom, unless you live completely off the grid somehow, you are part of the miserable collective.

Anyone ever read this, Patriots http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-Surviving-Collapse-Turbulent-Expanded/dp/1425734073, it is good if you get a chance.

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Cortes wrote:
I’m bookmarking this thread for posterity the next time a conservative is elected president and we start to go down this whole road again, only I’m fairly certain that many of the same posters are not going to be philosophically musing upon the efficacy of children taking an interest in politics.

Either using our state and school system to indoctrinate children with political ideology is bad, or it isn’t.

Again, if this had been the same kind of thing 4 years prior, it’d be a completely different thread. The hypocrisy is so ripe I can taste it.

Dude, it’s not about fucking politics. This goes for ZEB to, every single video the author showed depicted black or latino people singing songs about hope and achievement. In these instances it’s solely about race and the fact that Barack Obama was elected president. Try and use your imagination a little bit.

Nonsense, if there were a room full of white kids singing praises to GW Bush in a midwestern elementary school a couple of years ago the liberal media would have tripped all over themselves screaming about indoctrination.

It’s just the old nauseating double standard, nothing more.

Utter nonsense eh? Riddle me this ZEB, if this issue is not about racial inequality then how many of the videos the author found showed white kids singing songs of hope about Obama? Try zero ZEB.

Everyone stop the race shit, either we are equal or we aren’t, if it is ok for one group to get behind their race it is ok for all.

If it isn’t it isn’t that is equality not this special interest propoganda people keep spouting.

People in my area would know better then to even try this in a school with our children. Either side, no matter what color, you don’t teach this in schools. Schools are for education; reading, math and science, possibly business medicine.

Another reason to do away with public schools, it is a parents responsibility to educate and care for their children. Not the communities. You should not be taxed in order for my child to be educated, nor should you have any say in what ideology, religion or guidance I offer them.

People in this country have become so infused with dependence on the government they don’t even see that they have no freedom, unless you live completely off the grid somehow, you are part of the miserable collective.

Anyone ever read this, Patriots http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-Surviving-Collapse-Turbulent-Expanded/dp/1425734073, it is good if you get a chance.
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In theory I would agree with you, but in practice we have a different scenario playing out. The fact is there are millions of black children growing up without a father image. Approximately 65% of all black children grow up without any male in their home who is capable of acting as a positive role model. Many of these same children seek out gangs to get the male attention that they crave.

A very positive offshoot of having a black President is that black children have a positive role model at the very pinnacle of power. Hence, they now can see that it is possible for them to accomplish their own goals. There’s nothing wrong with them singing praises to President Obama at the right time and place. If it gives them the vision that they need to rise another level how is that bad? This is far better than throwing money at the problem which only creates more problems as we’ve seen since the 1960’s when the war on poverty began. Look on the bright side in the many thousands of black children who sing praises to Obama there may be a future conservative leader.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Cortes wrote:
I’m bookmarking this thread for posterity the next time a conservative is elected president and we start to go down this whole road again, only I’m fairly certain that many of the same posters are not going to be philosophically musing upon the efficacy of children taking an interest in politics.

Either using our state and school system to indoctrinate children with political ideology is bad, or it isn’t.

Again, if this had been the same kind of thing 4 years prior, it’d be a completely different thread. The hypocrisy is so ripe I can taste it.

Dude, it’s not about fucking politics. This goes for ZEB to, every single video the author showed depicted black or latino people singing songs about hope and achievement. In these instances it’s solely about race and the fact that Barack Obama was elected president. Try and use your imagination a little bit.

Nonsense, if there were a room full of white kids singing praises to GW Bush in a midwestern elementary school a couple of years ago the liberal media would have tripped all over themselves screaming about indoctrination.

It’s just the old nauseating double standard, nothing more.

Utter nonsense eh? Riddle me this ZEB, if this issue is not about racial inequality then how many of the videos the author found showed white kids singing songs of hope about Obama? Try zero ZEB.

Everyone stop the race shit, either we are equal or we aren’t, if it is ok for one group to get behind their race it is ok for all.

If it isn’t it isn’t that is equality not this special interest propoganda people keep spouting.

People in my area would know better then to even try this in a school with our children. Either side, no matter what color, you don’t teach this in schools. Schools are for education; reading, math and science, possibly business medicine.

Another reason to do away with public schools, it is a parents responsibility to educate and care for their children. Not the communities. You should not be taxed in order for my child to be educated, nor should you have any say in what ideology, religion or guidance I offer them.

People in this country have become so infused with dependence on the government they don’t even see that they have no freedom, unless you live completely off the grid somehow, you are part of the miserable collective.

Anyone ever read this, Patriots http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-Surviving-Collapse-Turbulent-Expanded/dp/1425734073, it is good if you get a chance.

In theory I would agree with you, but in practice we have a different scenario playing out. The fact is there are millions of black children growing up without a father image. Approximately 65% of all black children grow up without any male in their home who is capable of acting as a positive role model. Many of these same children seek out gangs to get the male attention that they crave.

A very positive offshoot of having a black President is that black children have a positive role model at the very pinnacle of power. Hence, they now can see that it is possible for them to accomplish their own goals. There’s nothing wrong with them singing praises to President Obama at the right time and place. If it gives them the vision that they need to rise another level how is that bad? This is far better than throwing money at the problem which only creates more problems as we’ve seen since the 1960’s when the war on poverty began? Look on the bright side in the many thousands of black children who sing praises to Obama there may be a future conservative leader.

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That’s funny, a conservative leader, who only got to his position by the institutes conservatism does not believe in.

Guess what, I still say the public school system is a horrible idea, so maybe we should let people learn the concepts of responsibility and accountability and fail. Not be funded for nothing, realize they need to contribute to get something.

That is the only way to turn things around.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age. [/quote]

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.[/quote]

If a teacher allows it, it’s still indoctrination. They wouldn’t allow children to sing praises to Hitler and fascism, even if the kids thought it up. (not comparing obama and hitler here)

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

If a teacher allows it, it’s still indoctrination. They wouldn’t allow children to sing praises to Hitler and fascism, even if the kids thought it up. (not comparing obama and hitler here)[/quote]

Yes you are comparing Obama and Hitler.

If they wanted to sing about Martin Luther King or Kobe Bryant or Kanye West should the teachers let them? What about if a group of girls want to sing about Sarah Palin?

Teachers not allowing kids to sing about someone because the teacher doesn’t agree with their political beliefs would be worrying.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

If a teacher allows it, it’s still indoctrination. They wouldn’t allow children to sing praises to Hitler and fascism, even if the kids thought it up. (not comparing obama and hitler here)

Yes you are comparing Obama and Hitler.

If they wanted to sing about Martin Luther King or Kobe Bryant or Kanye West should the teachers let them? What about if a group of girls want to sing about Sarah Palin?

Teachers not allowing kids to sing about someone because the teacher doesn’t agree with their political beliefs would be worrying.[/quote]

No, not allowing a class project and school time to be used to promote political ideology is what I’m talking about. You do not have to disagree to deem something inappropriate. A teacher has both the right and duty to keep inappropriate things out of the classroom.

For your argument to even be appropriate (not necessarily valid) all the children would have had to agree going into the project. What if several disagree, maybe don’t want to sing the song? do they get bad grades for not following the project? do they get made fun of by their classmates? Probably both.

I have no doubt that similar tributes to people like sarah palin wouldn’t be allowed, nor should they.

Also note that the last one isn’t even kids. It’s the name of the school, and the school song.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

What does “they sang the songs was because of racial inequality” even mean. you admitting these schools/children/administrators are the ones being racist.

How about I’m mad because my tax dollars going to schools are being used as a campaign contribution.

Schools are funded mostly by local property taxes, not federal income taxes.

The argument of what specific tax goes to education is kinda silly. What goes into a governmental pot is really just one big pot. however, the federal government does pay for some of public education, and states are also a big chunk. local taxes are only about half of funding.[/quote]

You aren’t funding this school’s activities unless you happen to live in the district and state where this occurred. That is all.


The Obama Children’s Choir.

[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

No, you mis understood me. The reason they sang the songs was because of racial inequality, obama makes a fine black leader. Only you can tell me why you’re so upset about this.

What does “they sang the songs was because of racial inequality” even mean. you admitting these schools/children/administrators are the ones being racist.

How about I’m mad because my tax dollars going to schools are being used as a campaign contribution.

Schools are funded mostly by local property taxes, not federal income taxes.

The argument of what specific tax goes to education is kinda silly. What goes into a governmental pot is really just one big pot. however, the federal government does pay for some of public education, and states are also a big chunk. local taxes are only about half of funding.

You aren’t funding this school’s activities unless you happen to live in the district and state where this occurred. That is all.[/quote]

Nope. Wrong. Your only argument is that not much does. it still does. like I said only about half of school funding is generally local. what part of that aren’t you getting?

In other news, wrong is wrong, no matter where the funding comes from. If you see a police officer doing something wrong, do you stop to try to figure out whether or not your tax money pays his salary?

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.[/quote]

Yes, it’s certainly possible that a group of young children would write the lyrics and compose the music to the Obama song and then sing it with absolutely no ecncouragement, or direction from the teacher(s)involved.

Yea, that’s possible. Highly doubtful though isn’t it?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

Yes, it’s certainly possible that a group of young children would write the lyrics and compose the music to the Obama song and then sing it with absolutely no ecncouragement, or direction from the teacher(s)involved.

Yea, that’s possible. Highly doubtful though isn’t it?
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Not at all, Obama was all over the news and lots of people were buzzing about how he was going to change the world. Kids are naive so I can totally see a group of black kids who were given a school project of coming up with a song and dance singing about Obama in the Lyrics.

I really don’t think that most of the videos show anything more sinister than that.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

If a teacher allows it, it’s still indoctrination. They wouldn’t allow children to sing praises to Hitler and fascism, even if the kids thought it up. (not comparing obama and hitler here)

Yes you are comparing Obama and Hitler.

If they wanted to sing about Martin Luther King or Kobe Bryant or Kanye West should the teachers let them? What about if a group of girls want to sing about Sarah Palin?

Teachers not allowing kids to sing about someone because the teacher doesn’t agree with their political beliefs would be worrying.

No, not allowing a class project and school time to be used to promote political ideology is what I’m talking about. You do not have to disagree to deem something inappropriate. A teacher has both the right and duty to keep inappropriate things out of the classroom.

For your argument to even be appropriate (not necessarily valid) all the children would have had to agree going into the project. What if several disagree, maybe don’t want to sing the song? do they get bad grades for not following the project? do they get made fun of by their classmates? Probably both.

I have no doubt that similar tributes to people like sarah palin wouldn’t be allowed, nor should they.

Also note that the last one isn’t even kids. It’s the name of the school, and the school song.[/quote]

So children should not be allowed to refer to historical or political figures in their school work?

School dance groups like the ones shown are normally after school or lunchtime activity groups. They are volountary and the kids are normally given a pretty free rein on the content.

If the kids were forced to sing the praises of Obama then that is wrong. Where is everyone making the leap that this is what happened? Where is that evidence?

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

If a teacher allows it, it’s still indoctrination. They wouldn’t allow children to sing praises to Hitler and fascism, even if the kids thought it up. (not comparing obama and hitler here)

Yes you are comparing Obama and Hitler.

If they wanted to sing about Martin Luther King or Kobe Bryant or Kanye West should the teachers let them? What about if a group of girls want to sing about Sarah Palin?

Teachers not allowing kids to sing about someone because the teacher doesn’t agree with their political beliefs would be worrying.

No, not allowing a class project and school time to be used to promote political ideology is what I’m talking about. You do not have to disagree to deem something inappropriate. A teacher has both the right and duty to keep inappropriate things out of the classroom.

For your argument to even be appropriate (not necessarily valid) all the children would have had to agree going into the project. What if several disagree, maybe don’t want to sing the song? do they get bad grades for not following the project? do they get made fun of by their classmates? Probably both.

I have no doubt that similar tributes to people like sarah palin wouldn’t be allowed, nor should they.

Also note that the last one isn’t even kids. It’s the name of the school, and the school song.

So children should not be allowed to refer to historical or political figures in their school work?

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No, they shouldn’t be allowed/made to sing/hear praises and campaign slogans of current politicians.

I would have less of a problem with that, however, that isn’t what at least some of these are.

If it is in a classroom environment among peers, it is almost impossible there wasn’t some level of coercion. Every single kid did not spontaneously decide to sing praises to obama in the middle of a school day.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

Yes, it’s certainly possible that a group of young children would write the lyrics and compose the music to the Obama song and then sing it with absolutely no ecncouragement, or direction from the teacher(s)involved.

Yea, that’s possible. Highly doubtful though isn’t it?

Not at all, Obama was all over the news and lots of people were buzzing about how he was going to change the world. Kids are naive so I can totally see a group of black kids who were given a school project of coming up with a song and dance singing about Obama in the Lyrics.

I really don’t think that most of the videos show anything more sinister than that.[/quote]

If that’s true and I highly doubt it, the only thing wrong then is that they were allowed to sing these praises on school grounds during school hours. As I’ve already stated if it had been a song about Bush the mainstream liberal media would have castigated all involved.