Children Singing Praises to Obama

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

Yes, it’s certainly possible that a group of young children would write the lyrics and compose the music to the Obama song and then sing it with absolutely no ecncouragement, or direction from the teacher(s)involved.

Yea, that’s possible. Highly doubtful though isn’t it?

Not at all, Obama was all over the news and lots of people were buzzing about how he was going to change the world. Kids are naive so I can totally see a group of black kids who were given a school project of coming up with a song and dance singing about Obama in the Lyrics.

I really don’t think that most of the videos show anything more sinister than that.

If that’s true and I highly doubt it, the only thing wrong then is that they were allowed to sing these praises on school grounds during school hours. As I’ve already stated if it had been a song about Bush the mainstream liberal media would have castigated all involved.[/quote]

I really don’t get why you are so scared about kids singing songs that include a few lines about hope and a mention of Obama. As they grow up they will quickly learn that politicians are typically corrupt scumbags but do we really need to tell them there is no Santa before they work it out themselves?

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
On a certain level it is good to actually see kids give a fuck about politics and positive role models.

But not so good to see indoctrination at such an early age.

How do you know that the teachers chose the material. When I was a kid, a group performing like that would have written their own material. If that is the case then it is not indoctrination.

Yes, it’s certainly possible that a group of young children would write the lyrics and compose the music to the Obama song and then sing it with absolutely no ecncouragement, or direction from the teacher(s)involved.

Yea, that’s possible. Highly doubtful though isn’t it?

Not at all, Obama was all over the news and lots of people were buzzing about how he was going to change the world. Kids are naive so I can totally see a group of black kids who were given a school project of coming up with a song and dance singing about Obama in the Lyrics.

I really don’t think that most of the videos show anything more sinister than that.

If that’s true and I highly doubt it, the only thing wrong then is that they were allowed to sing these praises on school grounds during school hours. As I’ve already stated if it had been a song about Bush the mainstream liberal media would have castigated all involved.

I really don’t get why you are so scared about kids singing songs that include a few lines about hope and a mention of Obama. As they grow up they will quickly learn that politicians are typically corrupt scumbags but do we really need to tell them there is no Santa before they work it out themselves?[/quote]

No, not at all we just need to make sure that there is some level of fairness regarding how both parties are treated at the school level. And as you know if there had been a Bush song that the children were singing the left wing press would have been all over it.

Are their worse sins? Certainly, but this is still smacks of politics where it doesn’t belong and a free wheeling liberal press that couldn’t care less.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

If that’s true and I highly doubt it, the only thing wrong then is that they were allowed to sing these praises on school grounds during school hours. [/quote]

Exactly right! We don’t want to encourage school children to have an interest in the President of the United States of America! Good point.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
As I’ve already stated if it had been a song about Bush the mainstream liberal media would have castigated all involved.[/quote]

Any shred of evidence of this, which might prove ‘turnabout’ being fair play (because the fringe right are certainly making a big fuss)? Or is it just your general feeling of sore-loserdom?

And do you really think that no American school kids ever paid tribute to President Bush?

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This is why I said we shouldn’t complain. Give the left a pat on the back, and then focus/refocus on getting conservative messages, role models, whatever, to children in our school system. Unapologetically. Like these guys do.

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Back when this Obama indoctrination rubbish first sprang up, there were some YouTube videos that were found, showing school kids singing about President Bush. Yes, it did happen for Bush, just like it must certainly happen for every new president.

There’s also a great scene in Jesus Camp (documentary film) where they bring out a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and tell the little kids to pray for President Bush, speak in tongues to him, pray for his success, and so on. Now I realize that Jesus Camp isn’t a public school setting, so if the setting is really your main objection, then I guess you’d have no problem with jesus Camp.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
In other news, wrong is wrong, no matter where the funding comes from. If you see a police officer doing something wrong, do you stop to try to figure out whether or not your tax money pays his salary?[/quote]

Now here’s a guy who would certainly not like knowing that little kids were being indoctrinated to follow President Bush, at Jesus Camp. He says it’s not about who’s paying for the indoctrination, it’s just that indoctrination itself is wrong.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:

There’s also a great scene in Jesus Camp (documentary film) where they bring out a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and tell the little kids to pray for President Bush, speak in tongues to him, pray for his success, and so on. Now I realize that Jesus Camp isn’t a public school setting, so if the setting is really your main objection, then I guess you’d have no problem with jesus Camp.[/quote]

Hey, as long as both sides give up the pretense that public schools are off limits.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Back when this Obama indoctrination rubbish first sprang up, there were some YouTube videos that were found, showing school kids singing about President Bush. Yes, it did happen for Bush[/quote]

No kidding? Would you mind posting that video I’d really like to see it.

Thanks

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
K2000 wrote:
Back when this Obama indoctrination rubbish first sprang up, there were some YouTube videos that were found, showing school kids singing about President Bush. Yes, it did happen for Bush

No kidding? Would you mind posting that video I’d really like to see it.
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I’ll see if I can find it. In the meantime, there’s this, about one of the earlier Obama Indoctrination Ourtrages:

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Dear Burlington Township Families:

Today we became aware of a video that was placed on the internet which has been reported in the media. The video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.

If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dr. King, Principal of B. Bernice Young School, directly.

Sincerely,
Dr. Christopher M. Manno,
Superintendent of Schools[/quote]

I realize that some of you guys are not real deep thinkers, and so the idea of “context” will not make much of a difference.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
K2000 wrote:
Back when this Obama indoctrination rubbish first sprang up, there were some YouTube videos that were found, showing school kids singing about President Bush. Yes, it did happen for Bush

No kidding? Would you mind posting that video I’d really like to see it.

I’ll see if I can find it. In the meantime, there’s this, about one of the earlier Obama Indoctrination Ourtrages:

Dear Burlington Township Families:

Today we became aware of a video that was placed on the internet which has been reported in the media. The video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.

If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dr. King, Principal of B. Bernice Young School, directly.

Sincerely,
Dr. Christopher M. Manno,
Superintendent of Schools

I realize that some of you guys are not real deep thinkers, and so the idea of “context” will not make much of a difference.
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It seems that you’re the one that’s not a deep enough thinker to understand the gist of this debate. Or maybe you just hopped on this thread without reading the previous posts. Which is it? No one is upset that the video was posted on the Internet, at least not on this thread. Manno’s letter adds nothing to this squabble.

Anyway,

Are you trying to tell us by this letter that it’s okay for children to sing songs praising a President during school hours on school grounds as long as he’s black and as long as it stays off the Internet?

No seriously,

the fact that he’s a black liberal President gives him a pass not only with school districts involved but with the mainstream liberal media who said nothing about this. Beginning to understand the crux of the debate?

Fairness is something that we should all expect when it comes to our childrens education. Spending taxpayer dollars in a school system that has obviously been politicized is what this debate is all about.

Go back to the beginning of the thread and catch up.

But first post that video you said you saw with children singing praises to President Bush.

Thanks

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
This is why I said we shouldn’t complain. Give the left a pat on the back, and then focus/refocus on getting conservative messages, role models, whatever, to children in our school system. Unapologetically. Like these guys do.[/quote]

Your voice of reason is not welcome here, begone!

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Hey K2000,

You did say there was a video of children singing praises to Bush. Where’s the video you said you saw. Shouldn’t be that difficult to find, post it please.

Thanks

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
In other news, wrong is wrong, no matter where the funding comes from. If you see a police officer doing something wrong, do you stop to try to figure out whether or not your tax money pays his salary?

Now here’s a guy who would certainly not like knowing that little kids were being indoctrinated to follow President Bush, at Jesus Camp. He says it’s not about who’s paying for the indoctrination, it’s just that indoctrination itself is wrong.

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I’m sorry, I should have more correctly noted. It doesn’t matter where the public money came from. “Jesus camp” is not public money, nor is it in any way mandatory. But if I did send my child to “Jesus camp” and then found out they had the kids singing praises to Bush, yes, I would be more than a little upset. Just because you only think something is bad when it doesn’t support your cause, doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

But just for shits and giggles, find me a video of a “Jesus camp” making kids sing praises to bush, and I will personally write them a nasty letter.

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Zeb and DD:
http://www.googleguide.com/category/query-input/

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Zeb and DD:
http://www.googleguide.com/category/query-input/

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Unfortunately, it is hard for me to do a thoughtful google search as I’m not completely sure the intent of the term “jesus camp” being used in the conversation. hence all the quotation marks.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Back when this Obama indoctrination rubbish first sprang up, there were some YouTube videos that were found, showing school kids singing about President Bush. Yes, it did happen for Bush, just like it must certainly happen for every new president.

There’s also a great scene in Jesus Camp (documentary film) where they bring out a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and tell the little kids to pray for President Bush, speak in tongues to him, pray for his success, and so on. Now I realize that Jesus Camp isn’t a public school setting, so if the setting is really your main objection, then I guess you’d have no problem with jesus Camp.[/quote]

Have they done a recent documentary on Jesus Camp? If they did one now you might have a cut out of President Obama. They might tell the children to pray for his success. We are suppose to pray for our leaders. Is there really anything wrong with that? Praying is a personal thing and not political in any stretch of the imagination. So if conservatives are christians then what are liberals? There are liberals who would call themselves Christians. Obama called himself a Christian. Ted Kennedy said he was a follower of Christ. Pelosi said well she never called her self a Christian. I guess we all cant be perfect.